AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit’s unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!
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Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I’m going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
I was thinking the same thing, it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.
Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.
What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.
But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.
I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong
They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.
And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.
it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.
I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.
Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.
Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.
Hope that happens.
But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit
It’s a good idea actually and I could see maybe having some different mods and/or handing over one to someone else at some point.
Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that’s not going to happen.
And I didn’t think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one’s down is good.
It’s “broken by design.”
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I got a response from them on Reddit:
We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.
That makes a lot of sense.
I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.
It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.
Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.
It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?
But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.
From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.
I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
Now setting up separate user accounts isn’t a terrible idea…
Don’t think you should divine the community though, right?
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely
They might as well be, honestly.
Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.
There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.
I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.
They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.
Well, more power to them. I’ve subbed to the Lemmy version at least.
I’m sure eventually there’ll be a means to merge them at the client end.
The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.
I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.
Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.
I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.
I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin
Duplicate posts can be filtered at the client level too.
Why not both? I like twice the content.
It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.
It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
I like choice.
Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.
We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.
So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.
For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!
Is such a fun line.
test comment.
edit of test comment
edit from culprit browser
edit with only one add-on deactivatedYou ok there bud?
Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.
Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)
After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.
Thanks for asking.
I mean… Idk why… but I love it… imagining you pulling your hair out trying to troubleshoot this… haha…
Been there done that…
Cheers mate!
Damn, that’s nice - what a cool mod
That’s fine. Bound to happen sooner or later with other users anyway. Next time when the mod debug a similar issue, they’ll remember to ask the user to deactivate extensions first.
Give him some money
He’s problem solving, so he looks fine.
Exactly this, yeah. Doing a little debugging.
Your user name would have been a fun notification to receive while troubleshooting ahaaha
I don’t think there’s a lot of blind people going to r/AccidentalRenaissance anyway.
Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.
That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.
Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.
That contingent included me so I am happy to see you here :)
I’m still learning transcription so feedback for what works and what doesn’t will be helpful!
This is a masterpiece! Now I miss r/murdered_by_words!
Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I love this bot
Good bot!
Google human!
It also works in the /c/ and /m/ formats for the web version of Lemmy (not sure if kbin has the same)
FWIW, in Memmy, the latter is recognized as a URL and clickable, but takes me to a “page not found” page on my home server. The former is not clickable.
I’ve updated my comment to specify that it works on the web version. I’m sure each app will have a different implementation of linking to communities.
Neither of those links work for me.
I think that may happen when those communities haven’t federated on your instance. You should be able to copy the link and search for it on your instance, it usually takes several seconds for it to appear because it needs to resolve the link to the community.
Once someone is subscribed to that community in your instance, those links should work as expected. At least, that’s my understanding of it.
Good bot. Have a Scoobysnack!
Those links don’t work on connect app :(
very good bot
Great bot!
This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.
From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.
The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.
I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.
But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)
Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.
Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.
When the blackouts started no one had a clue which of the alternatives would stand out as a viable option.
True, but it got people (eg me) started on actually looking for alternatives.
Not being very tech savvy, the reddit summaries post backout helped alot too.
Same. Investigated why there was a blackout, found out Reddit was screwing over RIF in a big way and felt disgusted enough to look for Reddit alternatives. Here we are!
There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.
I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.
Don’t forget to go back a week out and verify that your deleted comments didn’t mysteriously reappear. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately, according to various reports. (I haven’t really had the heart to go delete all of my own comments. Yet.)
Get your account banned, boom, comments gone. If you want to cause additional pain GDPR request on your banned account every 30 days. They still have to comply with requests as long as they hold your data. Make them work even though you don’t use the site.
I heard one guy had manually deleted their comments only to find sometime later they were restored.
On a couple I saw my name deleted but not the comment. I assumed it was sluggishness or something. I didn’t have much to delete even though I’d been there 12? years so I’m not going to… oh, also deleted account(s) so guess whatever they do is in their hands now anyway.
I was saying this from day one, we aren’t teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.
People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it’s lost to me.
I never wanted to save Reddit in the first place. I was glad that spez finally screwed it up badly enough to prompt people to leave in large numbers, and I was glad that the protest was too half-hearted to restore the status quo. Fuck centralised, corporate-owned social media.
I’ve gone full soapbox preacher on federation of late, but it almost feels like trying to explain the internet to someone without a computer in 1998. It’s amazing the amount of people who have said stuff like
“Yeah but YouTube can’t just do whatever they want on the platform…”
Hopefully Threads will be the wake up call for the masses.
Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip
You think jannies were smart and brave enough to strike indefinitely? Lmao they’re too afraid to lose their only power source that they do for free.
Lemmy must use free moderators as well?
Lemmy doesn’t have a CEO who expects them to make him money.
That’s fair. I was also thinking how you can potentially whip up your own instance if you become unhappy oth your current one. Or if you don’t like the moderation of a community you can start using a similar community on a different instance. There is a lot more freedom of choice here!
If an instance owner could think of imaginative ways of funding or if Lemmy adds things like purchasable awards for funding (I know… I can hear everyone’s eyes roll collectively) then Instances could even pay moderators if they really wanted to.
Lemmy can be whatever it wants to be.
I donate to the open source hosting that’s hosting this lemmy instance fediservices.nz seems like a good model for now
Many admins accept donations. I’m not sure about mods
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 And they do it for free just like Reddit jannies 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh god, I hope this is satire, the last thing Lemmy needs is more confused new-age Redditors.
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You don’t really get it, do you? Most of the mods in their respective communities cared about fostering a thriving community for their interests. Yes, power hungry mods who only do it out of power tripping exist, but those mods are the ones who are likely staying. The passionate ones, the ones who made the site, are leaving.
So now when everyone’s favorite subreddit gets installed with a bunch of new power-hungry mods, things aren’t going to be quality. There will be tons of shit flinging, tons of splitting the userbase and the general quality of the community will cease existing.
Free labor is replaceable. But passionate people are not.
Wow, that’s a lot of words defending pathetic jannies. Too bad I’m not reading them
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Just another dramatard on the fediverse
And? I miss r/drama and rdrama.net is superior to lemmy :marseycry:
Brother, you’re trolling while talking Chan - maybe hop offline for a bit.
turns out they’re irreplaceable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s easy to replace jannies who do it for free
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You’re allowed to cuss on here.
Shit fuck piss tit.
See? Nobody cares.
Well fuck my shit, what will the advertisers think?
Cocksucker, motherfucker, bitch. George Carlin would be so happy!
You know, for replaceable free labor, /r/interestingasfuck has seen none of its free labor replaced for over 3 weeks now.
looks like this user is replaceable
Oh damn, that’s us!!
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.
We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)
!accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone for us lemmy folks
…why did they make two comms though when kbin and lemmy work together?
Maybe because, like me, they don’t understand the difference
For your reference: for all intents and purposes there isn’t one. Lemmy accounts can interact and follow kbin communities and vice versa. You don’t need accounts on both, though you can if you choose.
But are these actually the same communities?
Or do they count as separate ones on separate instances which uses created with that instance specific account?
I think they’re 2 spearate communities? Which does confuse things.
Although the link worked on Connect for the Lemmy one so that’s what I’ll be using anywau
You mean for this specific case? Yes, they’re two separate communities which is why it was disadvantageous to create a community on both kbin and Lemmy—if they made just one, that one community could share subscribers and comments and such from all Lemmy instances (that aren’t defederated) as well as kbin. They didn’t need to make separate accidentalrenaissance communities but they did.
I’m not a fan of the e-mail analogy overall, but here it works. It’s like they created a gmail account and an aol account, thinking only gmail accounts could email each other and only aol accounts could email each other. But really, if they made only a gmail account then both gmail and aol would be able to communicate easily.
I just subscribed to both and I’ll let time sort it out.
Same lmao
Maybe they went ahead and grabbed both, one will eventually become more popular and the popular one will stay running while they just have the other one directing people to the popular one.
Mods can set a community so only mods can post in it. They can make that change and leave a message redirecting everyone to the other community to consolidate it.
One mod team working on two communities. We may consolidate to one or the other at a later date.
We were honestly afraid that either Lemmy or Kbin would self-destruct so we wanted to have one to fall back on and we weren’t happy with how either handled images.
Imagine I have a ship in space and you have a ship and we share comms between us.
They should probably join Lemmy.world tbh
yeah… I think this exactly the kind of stuff that annoys people and discourages people to join. Now that they moved here they get told they did it wrong because they chose the wrong instance… despite everyone first saying it doesn’t matter and you shouldn’t think too hard about your choice because “federation, yay!”
What discourages people to join is not knowing which instance to join. Which is exactly how we got two communities branching off like this.
What discourages people from joining is acting like “federation Yay” is actually a selling point instead of a nuisance that you have to accept. Just look at the downvotes this got in minutes. How is that encouraging?
We setup on Blahaj because when we were trying to setup AccidentalRenaissance, we didn’t know we were one letter over the arbitrary 20 letter limit on community names, and there wasn’t even an error message for it, so we were pounding our heads against the wall trying to figure out why we couldn’t setup anywhere on any server.
And we didn’t make a big fuss about who we were either. We were just looking to setup an instance. Just some randos as far as anyone knew. So we asked for help.
The admins of Blahaj personally told us what the problem was and when I asked if it was an absolute limit they said it wasn’t, and raised their limit. Just for us. Some random-ass strangers. They changed their server just so someone wouldn’t have to shorten their name.
So that’s how Blahaj scored AccidentalRenaissance.
Given how many actual Renaissance artists were legitimately, deeply, obsessively queer? Yeah, it fits.
Why? It literally makes no difference.
Because it actually does make a difference an dthats why they started two communities on different instances.
Yes and no. Yes it’s good to have a larger presence as say the “canonical” sub, but on the other hand having them on smaller instances is overall the better play
Betamax was the better play versus VHS, but we all know how that ended.
In social gatherings people will want to gather in the same place, and then maybe break off into smaller groups for more precise social interactions. That’s kind of the standard normal human thing.
The problem with Federation is it doesn’t honor that. It has everyone create small specific social gatherings on their own, and then having someone from each small gallery run between the different social gathering groups to share what each other is saying
I get on paper how Federation is the best way to go, and I do agree with that. The problem is the human population kind of want all people to all gather in one place, and not try to figure out where they have to gather at.
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I think you’re confusing products from the one that I mentioned…
Also, it’s a well-known fact that Betamax was a higher quality recording format, where VHS was a less quality but longer recording time format.
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To what end? The more spread out they are the less engagement they have and the sub flounders. Look at what happened to r/android. Went from being one of the largest communities on lemmy.world to puttering along on their new instance, losing a good chunk of users back to Reddit where everything is simple and in one place.
Because when this all happened, both had serious drawbacks and we were a bit afraid that either kbin or Lemmy might spontaneously combust altogether and we’d have nothing.
Our trust in social networks was not exactly great at that moment.
We might consolidate to one or the other in the future.
That’s pretty daring of them to do, they’re risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait…
I’m so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.
I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn’t. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.
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I was told it was more about designing the world around not needing them and having walkable cities and/or more public access and use of busses and other public transportation.
But also I see some people are very …uh… “Cars are evil and should all be destroyed and you should walk everywhere! Stop living in the country go find a city house so you can walk everywhere!”
It’s hard to tell which one is the main point anymore.
When some movement says ‘Fuck X’ then maybe we should just give them the benefit of doubt and not immediately assume they mean ‘destroy X immediately and completely, and all those plus their kin who support bloody X’ but might be okay with ‘gradually replace X with a solution that’s proven to be less destructive and harmful’
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Emotional intelligence can also mean to not assume the worst about somebody using swear words. If I say ‘Fuck cars’ I don’t mean I want to engage in sexual intercourse with a motor vehicle. It also doesn’t mean I don’t want to ever use a car again and expect the same of you. It just means I’m not too fond of a society built on car ownership.
Hey don’t forget those who think cars are sexy and want to literally fuck them. Carsexual erasure is real.
So long as no ones judging. Sometimes you just want to wrap your lips around the hot tailpipe while the engines running and you drop your ass like you’re trying to commit a one-person mass extinction event on a dildo.
It’s my auto-erotic ass fixation.
Dragons?
It’s not literally about hating cars, but about car centric infrastructure being a problem. Which is “fuck car lobbies and the shit they caused in the search of profits go up”
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I remember them cheering on whoever was stabbing suv tires in the UK a few years ago. They were hoping for it to spread to other countries regardless of the circumstances of the vehicle owner. I don’t know if the community has cleaned up since then.
It came to Boston and they did the same thing. Quite frustrating considering how walkable and bike friendly Boston is.
Car centric infrastructure benefits nobody but car manufacturers and it’s killing communities, climate and us.
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Is it hippie shit to want a pleasant community and easy way to get around?
Car centric infrastructure benefits those with…cars. And as cars are the primary method of transportation, it make perfect sense to design our cities around this idea.
Transportation is the lifeblood of communities. Without roads and cars they literally cannot exist. If you remove roads you kill the community.
Unless you have a new method of transportation that is better than cars, keep your fantasies in your head. You want to walk go right ahead.
It doesn’t benefit those with cars as much as it forces you to get a car to benefit. Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.
You’re conflating cars with transportation in general. When I say car infrastructure, I don’t mean close every road off so nobody gets in or out. Nobody does.
Look at cities where they prioritize the pedestrian and public transport. They’re so much better to live in and get around.
Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.
You know what makes a pleasant drive? Getting where you want to go quickly, and without stops. And we accomplish that by accepting that cars are always going to exist. We must throw out the ridiculous notion that bikes aren’t pedestrians. They are not worth building out completely separate infrastructure which is the only way they are happy. They refuse to cooperate and share pedestrian infrastructure which is the obvious solution. They are selfish and pretend they are saving the world by making cars drive slower and stop more. One biker can cause more incidental pollution than if they just drove there instead and didn’t slow everyone down.
If you think the biggest obstacle when you’re driving around isn’t other cars you’re delusional. You’re the reason “just one more lane bro” memes exist
Not so much cars, but the drivers. This ‘safety first’ methodology that the DOT uses only serves to create bad drivers. Driving is inherently dangerous and we cannot design that out with roadway changes. We need to remove licenses and actually mean it. We need repeated testing for everyone, not just the elderly. If the police did anything but ticket speeders to generate revenue driving might actually get better. It only takes one asshole to ruin the flow of an entire interstate for miles. And they receive no punishment for slowing other people down who are going about lawful business.
PS. Induced demand is mostly myth. Building more lanes is how we gain more bandwidth. Even if the speed doesn’t increase the throughput will and that means more people getting where they want to be. That is how you reduce congestion.
https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth
https://urbanist.co/busting-four-biggest-myths-induced-demand/
Til community didn’t exist before Ford’s invention.
We sold out our quality of life to the car companies back in the period after WW2. We could have cities like Amsterdam where everyone is biking and walking but instead large swathes of the country spend days out of their lives every month stuck in traffic for their commute.
I personally like cars but also I wish I didn’t need to drive everywhere.
Sold out our quality of life? People would be spending weeks out of their lives commuting to work and back without cars. There are no perfect solutions. Only trade-offs. And no I would rather not live in a dense city where I’m stacked on top of other people. However, if I could telecommute to work, I’d prefer that, but I know working from home isn’t for everyone either. We don’t need one size fits all solutions.
Simply isn’t true. Look up some YouTube videos of Amsterdam’s transport system. Biking and walking is faster than using a car because of the way they designed the city. And people aren’t “stacked on top of each other” any more or less than cities in the US where there is much heavier traffic.
After WW2 US wanted to increase industrial base so we invested heavily in cars. Highways everywhere and spread out suburbs.
It made sense at the time but now we see nearly 50,000 dead annually and millions stuck in traffic at any one time. We’re selling out our citizens for a little extra $$$.
There is another way. We can still have cars but cars don’t need to be the priority in terms of transportation systems. Biking to work in 5 to 10 minutes is 100x better than sitting in traffic for 45.
Those two summing it up pretty well. Furthermore, it’s the reliance of individuals’ use of cars. Public transportation tends to be praised by that community in contrast from my view, but public transportation is by no means a feasible options in parts of the United States especially outside larger cities.
I’d check out !fuckcars@lemmy.world, I usually just consume memes but they have some articles getting posted as it gains traction.
Commies are jealous that people who own cars are cooler than them
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I take a train to the city, and I bike to the station whenever I need to go into the office. The amount of disabled folk I see that could not transport themselves otherwise because a car is requisite would shock you.
The point of their community is improving public transport so it isn’t as car centric and a requirement to participate society.
I don’t see exactly how that’s “commie” to strive for a more democratic society.
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I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x
Also, infinite layers of meta commentary and criticism of the meta and criticism of that criticism… I’m home
Thank you!
For those of you browsing from lemmy.world here is how to access it and stay logged in:
https://lemmy.world/c/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
if you do !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone it works with any instance
That’s the only one that works.
Its the proper way to tag a community!
! For communities
@ for users iirc
After a long scroll, finally found a comment with a proper link
If you drop the first half, the web version and most apps will open the community in your instance.
404 not found.
This is going well!
Oh boy lol. Lemmys growing pains. Perhaps it’s because you’re using kbin? I don’t know, but I can confirm that the link I posted works great on Lemmy web and some android apps with proper link handling.
For kbin is /m/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
That’s not a url. You should try using the search option and put that in there instead.
It acts as a URL in most mobile apps and the website.
Ok, it acts like a URL, but it is not a URL. It does not have the proper URL prefix.
A 404 error is what you get with a bad URL.
You won’t get a 404 if you’re using the webapp, or on most mobile apps. For instance, I’m on Voyager and the subreddit link works fine upon clicking. No need to copy and paste it to the search.
I’m aware. I’m just repeating the error message they said they got, which was a 404.
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Thanks! Kind of annoying that this is required just now, either there’s an easier way that I’m just too dumb to see - or I imagine this process will be made easier in future (hopefully near) :D
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I imagine some sort of autocomplete feature could be made which provides a dropdown menu of communities and instances based on what you type after “/c/”.
It exists! It gets triggered when you start typing exclamation mark followed by a few characters. A long popup list appeared with communities your home instant knows of.
And this is with the stock web ui. If you’re using an app then it’s up to the developer of that app.
Why not trigger it when someone types “/c/”. Using an exclamation mark isn’t intuitive. BTW, I can’t get it to work.
/c/ (and kbin’s /m/) is an implementation detail, the “real” community names all start with !
well, technically they’re just fancy user accounts which means they start with @, but that’s even more obscure an implementation detail, especially with lemmy allowing both a user and community to have the same name
“You are not logged in”
Okay, those are some mods I can respect.
Imagine respecting jannies. THEY DO IT IT FOR FREE LMAO!
I wish your life was better so you didn’t feel compelled to be a jerk to strangers on the internet.
I hope things get better for you.
~ spez, ca. 2023
Imagine disrespecting the people who work their asses off to give you a clean space without expecting anything in return.
Feel kind of honored. One of the posts that the founding mod pulled over was a pic of my dog.
I wish every single subreddit would follow suit.
Their heart was at the right place… But they didn’t really understand federation huh. Splitting their communities like that is asking for less engagement and more user confusion. Just create it on Lemmy, interact with it using your Kbin user, and then it will federate and you can still provide the Kbin link if you so desire.
It was intentional. They didn’t 100% like either site so they made a community on both. They are seeing which they prefer after some use and development.
Everyone here is acting like they’re idiots who don’t understand the internet. They were high level mods.
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This right here.
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Kings
Queens, actually.
