Surprise surprise, her doctorate is in psychology. She works with special ed kids and I’m guessing she’s either decided or parents are self-reporting that they’re “vaccine injured.” 🙄 What an asshole.
“My little Johnny was a perfect student until the medical establishment gave him a learning disability!”
This seems to overlap psychologically with the “my child can do no wrong” crowd, the ones who blame teachers, coaches, librarians, video games, sugar, red dye, gluten, participation trophies, or pretty much anyone or anything except themselves for their child’s problems. The common thread is a profound lack of self-awareness.
On the anti-vaccination issue, there’s also a hefty dose of misinformation from people who are making money from selling the idea to gullible people, but there’s definitely a certain psychological profile who falls for it most often.
I feel like a lot of these parents are also doing the insidious thing of trying to justify that it isn’t “their genes” that are responsible. Like having Autism or something in your family is a dirty secret and “taints” their “family line”.
My aunt (worst human I’ve ever met) thinks the red dye thing is true too… Where do these people get their shit from!?
Nobody would give two shits if that was the problem. The problem is that their behavior endangers the safety of others and the integrity of society.
I don’t just mean people who cannot be vaccinated. Without vaccines, lockdowns like the ones during the covid pandemic would be in effect pretty much all the time. We have functioning vaccines against diseases that are much worse than covid. We got lucky in 2020.
People like to bitch and moan about the inconveniences endured during covid and would use terms like “doom sayers” to insult people who promoted lockdowns and vaccines. Under the guise of “it wasn’t that bad”.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Without lockdowns and vaccines it would’ve been ten times worse. We actually got relatively scot-free. Huge swaths of the developing world endured millions of deaths.
Anyone with more than two brain cells to run together, who learns about the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-1920, should immediately say “I’m getting vaccinated, I’m wearing a mask and I’m self isolating”. 50 million people died. 50 million! We got lucky with COVID because so many people unselfishly did those things.
50 million out of 1.8 billion population. Or 2.78% of the poulaton died.
Today the same death rate for a pandemic would be around 225 million people.
I was tracking the pandemic and the mortality rate among patients who had to be hospitalized during the initial strain was over 5% at times! People really don’t get how lucky we are that the omicron and subsequent variants has lower mortality. Imagining even 10 or 15% would completely collapse our medical system altogether.
Society before vaccines didn’t have lockdowns all the time, the mortality was higher because you died of disease now almost forgotten. During epidemics a lot of things still had to get done, the corpses didn’t remove themselves, people still needed food, water and their shit carried off.
I’m not sure many people against vaccines these days have met anyone who got the diseases everyone is vaccinated for nowadays. Polio as a child? You survived? Great, you’ll have a limp and bad joints your whole life…
It did indeed have lockdowns! Public Health quarantines have a history that is thousands of years old. Polio would close public pools regularly when my parents were children.
Closing a pool and the 2020 insanity in some countries where you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different, which is more what I meant by lockdowns since that’s what the contemporary meaning seems to be.
Florence has old as balls “wine holes”, where they serve wine through specially designed holes to limit the risk of spreading diseases.
Governments fought diseases back then just as hard or even harder than now.
They were originally meant to avoid taxes on storefronts but later repurposed, do you have any evidence it was government policy?
Quarantines in case of known infections are very different from shutting down arbitrary sectors of an economy because politicians said so, they don’t even compare to lockdowns in scope.
Did you even read some of the quarantines? There are several instances of them quarantining entire countries, no boats in or out. There’s instances of towns being isolated, etc.
Lastly, your first sentence is absolutely baffling. We KNEW COVID was everywhere, wtf are you even talking about? At its height, the US alone was having around 200,000+ confirmed cases a day. You are vastly underplaying how close our medical system came to collapsing in huge swathes of the country. There’s absolutely a reason why there’s a global shortage of doctors and nurses right now, the burnout during the pandemic was absolutely unreal for medical workers.
The kneejerk complete shutdown at the beginning was a tad overkill in some places, but that was because of so many unknown variables. The initial strains were absolutely more deadly, so why risk it? However, I don’t remember anywhere in the US going to extremes of making it so you couldn’t even walk outside. Now, places like China absolutely went way overkill with literally forcibly boarding people into buildings.
e you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different
yeah god forbid you stop the spread of a pandemic that’s killed over 7 MILLION people.
boo fuckin hoo
Because going out on the street was going to make the spread of a respiratory virus much worse than being forced to stay home most of the time? Places with stricter policies didn’t have better adherence to the rules anyway, Swedish people were never forced to stay home and more did than in Italy or France.
aw poor baby.
While the global scale of the covid lockdown was indeed unprecedented, quarantining and curfews were indeed used during the Spanish flu, bubonic plague and other widespread diseases. Back then, that was sufficient because population density was lower and the world was much less connected in general. Nobody went on a 2-week holiday trip to Bali during the bubonic plague, or huddled up in huge skyscraper office buildings for work, so the spreading of the disease was already slower.
Some years before covid (I think it was in 2012 or 2013), we got dangerously close to an ebola pandemic. That would have been fun, I imagine, I love bleeding out of all orifices and dying, my favorite past-time.
Yes, but unfortunately, it’s also “fuck it, increase risk of my kid/grandma dying a painful, early death”
“My parents gambled with my health and that’s ok!”
And “my parents’ intellectual weakness put many others with immunological weaknesses at grave risk!”
Her (almost certainly) describing a sibling with autism as being “vaccine-injured” is just so insulting.
Jenny McCarthy should be imprisoned for spreading this.
Wait for the sequel:
“I live in an iron lung and that’s ok!”
And the followup, “I’m blind because measles, and that’s ok!”
I have a distant cousin who was totally destroyed by measles. According to her mom, she was 6 years old and a very bright kid, very eager to learn. Her siblings recovered, but she didn’t. I mean, she recovered as far as surviving, but she’s in her late 50s now with the mental capacity of a toddler.
Her family lived in a one room shack deep in Appalachia from the 50s through the 80s. Going to the doctor wasn’t something they did unless they were dying. They managed to get her to the hospital once it became clear she likely wasn’t going to make it.
I met her in the early 2000s and different family members take turns caring for her. She talks but it’s mostly just going with what a person says. “Sheila, I heard you were a millionaire!” “Yeah, yeah. I got millions dollars. Yeah.” “Can I get a few thousand?” “Sure, yeah, sure, a few thousand. Yep. Mmhmmm.”
Her brother used to mess with her at the store her mom worked at. “Hey Shiela, you hate that ugly bastard that just walked in here don’t you?” “Yep. Mmhmm. I hate that ugly bastard.” “Awww Sheila, you hate me and think I’m ugly?” “Noooooooo. Nuh uh. Nooooo!” “Yes you do, now tell him!” “Yep, mmhmm, I do.”
I hate that happened to her.
That’s so very sad.
Yeah, or living with the knowledge that they infected friends who couldn’t get the vaccines for medical reasons.
First time I’m hearing about “vaccine injured” meaning they think a vaccine caused autism or something. When I read the post, with the context, I thought it meant like a physical injury that someone with special needs might suffer if they moved around during a vaccine. It’s actually disgusting that this person wrote a story likely about a kid with some form of neurodivergence and called toted them as a “vaccine injured child”.
It’s from a long debunked paper. Anyone claiming any correlation between vaccines and autism is willfully ignorant at this point.
Not only is it debunked, it was a downright fraudulent paper.
Curious and completely naive to this, but was this ever debunked? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27473827/
I haven’t kept up with this and undecided entirely on what I believe.
Not to my knowledge, but anyone trying to link it to vaccines would also be full of shit.
Yeah I can agree with that, at least in respect to modern vaccines. No idea about older vaccines, but likely not.
Thimerosal in vaccines doesn’t cause mercury poisoning. It’s still in modern flu vaccines. I assume that’s the link you’re trying to draw.
It actually just doesn’t stay in the blood for as long and the toxicological effects of ethyl mercury haven’t really been studied very well. A paper looking at ethyl (the kind from thimerosal breakdown) and methyl mercury poisoning in baby monkeys found much greater inorganic mercury buildup in the brain from ethyl mercury during the sacrificial autopsies, both in absolute and relative terms. There’s not been a longitudinal study about ethyl mercury in humans, so I really don’t know how you can be so sure about this. The vaccination schedule undergone by infants regularly exceeded the EPA’s blood-mercury limits by up to 10x until as recently as 1999. Nobody has ever been investigated, nor have damages been allowed to be sought in court. If this was any other medicine we’d be able to have a level headed conversation about it, but because it’s vaccines everybody gets really fucking hyper abt it. BTW I’m fully vaccinated and recommend vaccination for evrybody who is physically able. Not a doctor by any means, and would be very interested in learning more about the scientific literature on this subject as I’ll be the first to admit my knowledge is shallow.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1382668919301875
Very likely that’s the one. I know someone who used to believe it had a significant link to Autism when injected to the mother during pregnancy.
They now acknowledge this is not the case, but have implied that they still suspect a link might exist to some medicine that military hospitals were administering to mothers around the year 2000.
I’ve no evidence for or against. But there is undeniably a link to military service of one or both parents. That’s the only definitive I have about ASD. That, and of course that anyone who self-diagnoses themselves with it is mentally unwell in a whole different way.
There is a link between car exhaust during pregnancy and autism. For some reason nobody wants to bother with pollution, but keep doubling down on vaccines causing autism. It doesn’t seem like autism is actually the issue for them.
Who the company that actually gave this book a fucking reward?
It looks suspiciously like a pay-for-award company that gives out awards to just about any product for parents/educators/related to children or parenting, as long as you pay the “application fee” (although they specifically say an award isn’t guaranteed).
I mean looking at their website they seem to give out an awful lot of awards, and they mention that for $500, you’ll get to use their award seal on your product and receive 100 award stickers, and for $1,500 you get more stickers, plus they’ll post about your product on their website.
Call me crazy, but I’d think that if an award isn’t guaranteed, they’d make you pay for the initial application to start with, and then (assuming you “win” an award) they’d offer to promote your product for an additional payment, once they’ve decided that you’re eligible. The fact that they talk so openly about how paying a larger application fee gets you promoted on their site (and some other stuff) makes it seem suspiciously like a pay-for-award scheme to me.
I had heard of diploma mills before, but not award mills.
Haven’t you heard about the Guinness Records?
- For Level Two applications that don’t meet the criteria for an award, a refund is issued for the licensing portion of the application fee less any applied discounts. An award is not guaranteed. Marketing and publicty benefits are only extended to applicants who meet the criteria for the award.
Apparently they’ll only feature you if you’re eligible for an award and refund you the enhanced part of the application if you’re product is ineligible. They do have the criteria for eligibility further down the page and it seems pretty open to interpretation.
The fact they call vaccination an “important decision” as if it’s choosing chemo or so is just so stupid.
It’s an important decision in that it’s important to decide to not put your child at risk for polio.
WTF is “Gold Moms Choice Award”? The newest warning label?
If the Americans are so keen about banning books, they should really start with this one. Ever thought about “What if books could kill?” - This one can.
It sounds like a bit of an award scam actually - there’s a disappointed recipient taking about it here.
I don’t think there’s a lot of legal stuff around awards - you can pretty much just make one up and give it to things.
Winners who pay $500 may use the Mom’s Choice Awards seal “for marketing and promotional purposes” BUT must pay the $1500 fee to actually put the seal on the books. Unless you purchase the stick on seals, 100 for $50.00.
Yeah, that’s definitely a scam.
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*MOMU = My Own Made Up Award
If memory serves correctly The Daily Wire invented their own awards just to say their journalism is “Award Winning”
I’ve met this kind of awards somewhere. One supermarket chain boasted that one of their businesses won the “Supermarket of the Year” award. And the next year it was again that one of their locations won that price. So I dug a bit deeper and learned that they own the local version of “Supermarket of the Year” award, and only markets of their own chain “participate”.
I recently went on a drive from Indiana to Minnesota and back, doing a different route each time. Almost every hospital we passed said it was one of the 100 best hospitals according to (I think) U.S. News and World Report.
What are the chances?
I, too, often pat myself on the back. If I don’t, who will?
Gold Moms
Imagining a big pot of molten gold, and a middle aged woman in one of those perfect blonde helmet hair cuts slowly dipping her elderly mother into it, while laughing and screaming about how “I’m going to post you to instagram! I’m going to treasure you forever!”
I imagined that as a Gary Larson cartoon for some reason.
We love feel good awards. Did you know I’m a Times Person of the Year?
So am I! The year 2006 was a great year for everyone.
I feel sorry for everyone born after 2006. It must feel so lame not being a Times Person of the Year.
“My parents are complete idiots and that’s not OK”
Shannon Kroner is a PSYCHOLOGIST. She wrote a book about vaccines, as a psychologist.
see? she’s a scientist, therefore she knows what she’s talking about!
you aren’t going to question your own precious science, are you, liberal? didn’t you know all scientists study the same thing?
How does being a psychologist constitute a reasonable qualification to have any weight on the matter? Vaccinations belong to the field of pharmacology, on which psychologists have no training whatsoever (possibly aside from psychiatric drugs) and if they do, they’re most likely a psychiatrist, in which case they’re doctor first and psychologist second.
The author has no qualifications whatsoever to talk about vaccines, aside from her doctoral dissertation, which I would consider questionable at best.
She’s a psychologist who works primarily with special education/special needs kids, and believes that a lot of developmental disabilities are the result of vaccinations.
So, she’s a moron.
Here’s the program she got her PsyD from.
She’s a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, so she has no training in pharmacology. Requirements for her program say nothing about organic chemistry.
I wonder if her program would be happy about her using her degree to make medical claims, considering it isn’t a medical degree.
“Research”
“Vaccine-injured”
Here’s betting on this not getting a sequel.
I envy your naive optimism
That or the kid won’t be around long enough (I know this is an anti-vax fantasy)
I realize this is sort of an aside, but the title reminds me of the “children’s” book that Colbert put out back when he was doing the Colbert Report.
It’s about the adventures of a pole and its many uses. Including by strippers. It’s actually surprisingly wholesome.
- Children’s book
- Stripper pole
- Wholesome
Don’t have children. I don’t even wtf.
You would understand if you read it.
How very reactionary.
The book ends with the kid dying from polio
Honestly, that would be preferable to the reality. Unvaccinated children, by and large, aren’t the people who suffer from their parents’ shitty choices. I wouldn’t want anyone to suffer, but if it were the unvaccinated children who suffer most, it would be easier to make the case to ignorant and selfish people who don’t want to vaccinate.
No vaccine is completely effective, and each infection is an opportunity for mutation and spread. Not everyone who gets infected will get sick. Not everyone who gets sick will have severe illness or even the same symptoms. The people who suffer the most are the very young, the immunocompromised, the elderly, and the poor. If you’re talking to someone who thinks their internet googling is as valid as actual medical doctors doing actual scientific research, it’s going to be harder to convince them to do something for the greater good.
Written by Dr. Polio N. Smolpox
Yea, imagine if the doctor who wrote that bullshit report was being controlled by a polio infection, or was just a conglomeration of diseased cells.
