God of War matters.
I always thought it was weird when people think of Jesus as a literal God.
The trinity. The father the son and the holy ghost. AKA Dissociative identity disorder
It’s not DID, that’s modalism.
I love that video
That’s canon tho.
True, it’s just a little too magical for my brain to process. To me he was a prophet and probably a good dude… but that’s probably about it.
To worship a guy as a literal God because his mom had a tale to tell about why she was pregnant, was the beginning of the end of religion making sense for me.
To me he was a prophet and probably a good dude… but that’s probably about it.
And you have stumbled upon the big difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Jews already had a list of criteria for the messiah. Jesus didn’t check all of the boxes, so the Jews went “he’s not our messiah. We’ll keep waiting for the real one to show up.”
Christians believe he is the messiah; Literally God given flesh, so He can experience mortality and die for their sins.
Then the Muslims believe he was a prophet, but not the last prophet. They believe the last prophet was Muhammad. Jesus is featured pretty heavily in the Quran, because they do believe he was a prophet. But Muhammad said there would be no more prophets after himself, so anyone new claiming to be one is lying. (Worth noting that this “no new prophets” thing doesn’t negate Jesus’ second coming. Because Jesus wouldn’t be a new prophet, he would be a returning prophet.)
He was NOT the Messiah! He was a very naughty boy.
Muhammad out here gatekeeping prophets, it nice Muhammad. I think anyone can be whatever they want to, so long as they try hard.
I mean, the Bible also discusses an anti-Christ as well. Jesus preached that there would be false prophets.
Almost as if starting a cult requires your followers to actively reject other belief systems.
And then came Báb and Baháʼí was born.
It’s turtles all the way down.
if he existed, he sounds like he was cool.
show me some real historical documents suggesting he did, tho.
It doesn’t matter much if there was a “real” Jesus, because the Jesus Christians worship is not him. The Jesus Christians worship is a magical son of a god that defies death.
okay yeah that guy didn’t exist, but the George Washington Americans worship couldn’t tell a lie and did manual labor one time and was a good general and his teeth were stupid instead of nightmare fuel
and we consider them the same guy.
Maybe we shouldn’t?
okay yeah maybe morally, but counterpoint:
thinking about it here: darker and edgier tooth fairy turned warlord does sound metal as fuck.
That’s not the only reason. Jesus claimed to be God, His followers worshipped Him, He performed miracles and ultimately died and rose again and was seen by many. Then ascended into heaven like a month later.
Yup, that’s the myth.
Oh…you’re serious.
And i can walk over water. You just have to believe me
I do it every time the pond freezes over. It’s fun. You slide around.
If you can get me several people who saw it and are willing to die for that fact, I’d believe you
I guess i have to buy some Fentanyl and start my first communion. Theyll get some bread too.
The truth is even better: the masses were too dumb for his educated metaphors, the priests got in a huff, the colonizers decided they could solve a problem for the local leaders.
His followers got organized and staged an early death (crucifixion takes 20 hours not 3) with anaesthetic on a sponge, dude healed up for 3 days in a cave covered in myrrh etc and guarded by loyals, then showed up to his ragtag band of radicals and gave them the heads-up. Sends Thomas off to South India because he needs a challenge. Grabs peter paul and mary and off they go to Rome, incognito, to undermine the heart of the empire with some radical ideas.
After a couple of decades building community in Rome, Issa retires to Kashmir, just in time for the big buddhist conclave. He injects compassion and the notion of a self sacrificing avatar into the venerable but vibrant philosophy. He and Mary settle down and enjoy the lovely isolated valley and he dies an old man, having made a difference.
For a start, He would have been hanging there for possibly longer than three hours as he was already dead. Still baking in the sun. Keep in mind He was really brutally whipped before going there which would be enough to kill somebody, as well as staying up for hours, sweating blood long before as well. Crucifixion would have very much killed someone in that state in three hours. Every breath He’d take would cause his back to scrape against the rough wood and cause excruciating (literally) pain. Lastly, His side was pierced and it showed His lungs had collapsed. Then He was buried in a tomb, and guarded by ROMANS, not loyals. In the state He was in, He would have very much died there in the course of three days if He was somehow still alive. Not recovered.
Your last paragraph sounds AI generated lol
Nah, the story has all the markings of a gambit. It was retconned on the spot.
How does it have the markings of a gambit? No idea how a guy can survive that and just be okay. And also, were the disciples in on it? If so, how come they died refusing to renounce it? Jesus would have had to do this without their knowing as well.
Literally is, at least according to trinitarian doctrine. Handy diagram:
Which of course implies that “isness” is non-transitive which mathematically speaking is bonkers. I mean it’s not that you can’t have intransitive relations but calling them equivalences is going to raise eyebrows.
“Isness” definitely doesn’t need to be transitive.
It can be used to give properties to a subject. An apple is crisp, red, and 100g. Crisp isn’t red, red isn’t 100g, and 100g isn’t crisp.
It can also be used to specify a general case. Honeycrisp is an apple. Golden Delicious is an apple. Fuji is an apple. All three of Honeycrisp, Fuji and Golden Delicious are distinct.
An apple is crisp, red, and 100g. Crisp isn’t red, red isn’t 100g, and 100g isn’t crisp.
True, but then crisp isn’t apple, red isn’t apple, and 100g isn’t apple: All your examples have the property that if x is y, then y isn’t x, which means it’s an asymmetric relation, while in the trinity there’s symmetry: The father is god, god is the father.
Honeycrisp is an apple. Golden Delicious is an apple. Fuji is an apple
We can go further and say that apples are fruit, and that Honeycrisp are fruit. That is transitive.
What you’re describing is a strict partial order, which is not an equivalence, but the whole thing being some sort of equivalence is kinda important if Trinitarians want to be monotheists. Equivalences need to be reflexive, symmetric and transitive, at least if you ask mathematicians.
eh, Hercules and Bacchus are; similar situations. I say he gets a pass.
You’re not alone. Every Muslim thinks of Jesus as a prophet.
So what you’re saying is that you hate Jesus?
Have you been to one of his churches? Tried one of those wafers they say is him? He tastes awful.
Never met him. Read his stories, can’t say I care for any of the servitude required, and his followers are the worst humans you’ll run into around here.
No, thank you.
I can’t say I like him much:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:18
In other words, if you aren’t a Christian (which most people in history and alive today are not), you go straight to hell.
The “Prince of Peace” was all about kindness because your sinful ass would get tortured forever, so you might as well have a few nice years here.
I think you meant to post this in theologymemes
Theology sucks, all my homies in religion studies.
I mean . . .
All gods matter equally* (to me, at least).
For context: This is Neptune, she is goddess.
All praise Nep Nep!
Praise with pudding
Will you tell Him that to His face on judgement day?
I’d kick him right in the Jimmy for making that worm that burrows into children’s eyes in Africa, destroying their vision
Why not kick him for making you?
Bud, you’re not doing any good here. Your approach assumes the other person believes that Jesus is real. That’s like arguing for human rights with a Republican – it’s fundamentally against their ideals.
At least they’d never be able to say that they weren’t told about this.
Do you really think you’re the first Christian who’s told them this? Did they just emerge from the cave they’ve spent their entire life in just to post on Lemmy?
God fucked TimDave’s mother?
Does that mean TimDave is Jesus’ half-brother?
Sure.
before or after cockslapping the fuck out of him for turning a blind eye to all his followers diddling kids?
Do you really think He has turned a blind eye to that? Because He has not.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Luke 17:2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
so what you’re saying is he has turned a blind eye seeing as I’ve yet to see a bishop with a millstone, yeah?
yeah, I mean, if you have to reach back to an ancient book (that was written by man, and rewritten by man to suit the times and ideals numerous times there after) to find a case for"proof", then the proof is pretty much meanginless… unless the proof is to prove how condoned it is and how long they’ve been allowed to get away with it.
Bible hasn’t really been rewritten much. The ESV we have now is pretty accurate.
Its cute that you think that.
Are you posting from hell right now? 🤣
Your choice!
Is it?
Yes?
There is a pretty old debate that if God is all knowing then free will can’t be a thing. I was making an admittedly subtle reference to that.
Isn’t that Calvinism?
Calvinists were loony enough to consider that a feature. But it’s a rough philosophical spot for pretty much all flavors of Christianity.
The only judgement day anyone on earth needs to be concerned with is a Will Smith movie. All others are a load of horseshit.
How dare you ignore our Lord and Savior Terminator 2!
Damn, you’re right! My mistake, make it two Judgement Days
That’s what Satan wants you to think
Who’s that?
He will fuck you and you will beg him to do it again, but he’ll go play piano instead. So fickle, yet such a troubled mind…
Who?
God
So Zeus?
Cute.
Why wait?
Irrelevant since this isn’t a thing.
Still don’t get the unhealthy obsession with that fantasy book.
What counts as an unhealthy obsession? And what fantasy book?
Yep. I’m going to be judged anyway for being an atheist and for being born one of those heathen Jews (I even had a bar mitzvah!), so why not?
I’m going to hell either way. Might as well get my say in.
