Unfortunately I don’t like Android. And I don’t have time to beta-test half-backed systems like /e/ or UBports.
Yep, I am giving an amount of freedom with iOS but mobile can’t be private anyway.
Apart from avoiding stock OS, 80% of privacy depends on the common sense of the user himself.As seen, using a privacy focused OS and searching with Google an posting in Whatsapp, but claiming the lack of privacy (my nephew 😣)
You can go with LineageOS without any Google services. It’s still Android, but it really is the best you can get unless Librem 5 has made some major strides.
iOS isn’t private, not more than Android, apart it’s closed source and “makemoney-soft” like all from Apple, incompatible with everything, except Apple soft. Apple is a nightmare for free and independent devs.
Lineage isn’t a big company, its a community project, But if you don’t like it, as you can see in AlternativeTo, there are a lot of others.
FOSS naturally isn’t neccesary also private and secure (Android itself is FOSS), but Lineage or KDE are at least better in this point than a OS made and controlled by Google, offering good and trustworth products. Use an OS produced in the EU, because of the strong privacy norms, which don’t exist in US products (KDE is German)
If not, dont use a smartphone and use an old Nokia 3300.
A community project which can get infiltrated especially positioned as secured/privacy oriented device.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing or trying diminishing a FOSS but we should really strive to demonstrate our claims and as someone who built its own lineage image 2 years ago, I would not blindly sign repeat the slogan.
And yeah, I used a Nokia 220 for a while during 2021.
Actually, I use my iPhone (refurbished) - beside call/IM of course - just as an expensive 2FA device my the bank/administration/customers.
I do not recommend anyone, regardless of the OS, to use the smartphone for official procedures, like bamking, no smartphone is a secure device, much less so than a PC, where you have many more protection options available.
@SrEstegosaurio@lemmy.ml I’m not saying I trust Apple, but there are legal obligations. It might help you when fighting with insurances if anything bad happens.
If anything bad happens, the OS isn’t a problem, if it is a legit one. The problem with mobile phones is other, thr isk to include in it important data, because of the facility that have hackers to acceede this data (in a contest hackers needed less than 30 seconds in a IPhone, using a laptop with certain software., apart of the risk of loss or theft.
As in the recent past, Merkel’s cell phone, supposedly especially secure, as befits a German chancellor, was hacked and confidential data leaked.
Even more risk if you use OS from big US companies that make money selling data to third parties. (surveillance advertising, 21st century plague, you don’t know or controll how this third parties threat and protect your data, os sell these to others more)
You are putting the chancellor’s iPhone hack at the same level than these script-kiddie or Nigerian scams :)
scamers usually needs user interaction and it doesn’t go further than asking the user to fill in a form online. no trojan, no malware - especially on iOS.
I would totally love a free&opensource smartphone with something tight, not androified and which can be reproducible and getting regular audit.
Listen pal, I am not an apple fanboy, clearly not.
I just use it as a blackbox, i don’t fiddle with, support is 5y+ , i don’t play, don’t do network stuff and UX is just straight to the point, sure there are annoying stuff and artificial limitations but at the end, it prevent me to waste time on my phone.
sure Apple is spying but compared to Google, MS or leaving unknown nerds from LineageOS snooping in the back, I am fine with it.
I use it within the legal scope and with limited apps, if something bad happens - fishing or other - at least, I could raise a case.
Unfortunately I don’t like Android. And I don’t have time to beta-test half-backed systems like /e/ or UBports. Yep, I am giving an amount of freedom with iOS but mobile can’t be private anyway.
Private from who? Privacy isn’t some global absolute, and some threat models can be secured by avoiding iOS and stock Android.
Apart from avoiding stock OS, 80% of privacy depends on the common sense of the user himself.As seen, using a privacy focused OS and searching with Google an posting in Whatsapp, but claiming the lack of privacy (my nephew 😣)
You can go with LineageOS without any Google services. It’s still Android, but it really is the best you can get unless Librem 5 has made some major strides.
You know, they say you should put your money where your mouth is.
what does it mean ?
It means you should bet on things you would not lose on.
https://lemmy.ml/post/128747
You can go QUITE private, secure and anonymous on ANY non rooted Android 9+ phone, unlike on any Apple device ever.
There are several other alternatives, most known f.Exmpl LineageOS, it’s a OpenSource and de-googled Android fork. More here https://alternativeto.net/software/android/?license=opensource
iOS isn’t private, not more than Android, apart it’s closed source and “makemoney-soft” like all from Apple, incompatible with everything, except Apple soft. Apple is a nightmare for free and independent devs.
I can’t trust LineageOS. Who is auditing this ? And it can’t even be reasonably audited anyway, check just the repo size.
We could say this from most of big FOSS project unfortunately, except maybe some with reproducible build.
Lineage isn’t a big company, its a community project, But if you don’t like it, as you can see in AlternativeTo, there are a lot of others. FOSS naturally isn’t neccesary also private and secure (Android itself is FOSS), but Lineage or KDE are at least better in this point than a OS made and controlled by Google, offering good and trustworth products. Use an OS produced in the EU, because of the strong privacy norms, which don’t exist in US products (KDE is German) If not, dont use a smartphone and use an old Nokia 3300.
A community project which can get infiltrated especially positioned as secured/privacy oriented device. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing or trying diminishing a FOSS but we should really strive to demonstrate our claims and as someone who built its own lineage image 2 years ago, I would not blindly sign repeat the slogan.
And yeah, I used a Nokia 220 for a while during 2021. Actually, I use my iPhone (refurbished) - beside call/IM of course - just as an expensive 2FA device my the bank/administration/customers.
I do not recommend anyone, regardless of the OS, to use the smartphone for official procedures, like bamking, no smartphone is a secure device, much less so than a PC, where you have many more protection options available.
I use it mostly stock in term of 3rd party apps.
@SrEstegosaurio@lemmy.ml I’m not saying I trust Apple, but there are legal obligations. It might help you when fighting with insurances if anything bad happens.
If anything bad happens, the OS isn’t a problem, if it is a legit one. The problem with mobile phones is other, thr isk to include in it important data, because of the facility that have hackers to acceede this data (in a contest hackers needed less than 30 seconds in a IPhone, using a laptop with certain software., apart of the risk of loss or theft. As in the recent past, Merkel’s cell phone, supposedly especially secure, as befits a German chancellor, was hacked and confidential data leaked. Even more risk if you use OS from big US companies that make money selling data to third parties. (surveillance advertising, 21st century plague, you don’t know or controll how this third parties threat and protect your data, os sell these to others more)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/03/16/iphone-12-pro-max-and-iphone-13-not-more-secure-than-google-and-samsung-android-warns-cyber-billionaire/
https://www.techradar.com/news/8-reasons-why-smartphones-are-privacy-nightmare
You are putting the chancellor’s iPhone hack at the same level than these script-kiddie or Nigerian scams :)
scamers usually needs user interaction and it doesn’t go further than asking the user to fill in a form online. no trojan, no malware - especially on iOS.
I would totally love a free&opensource smartphone with something tight, not androified and which can be reproducible and getting regular audit.
Are you talking about this while trusting apple?
iOS user experience is a nightmare.
Listen pal, I am not an apple fanboy, clearly not. I just use it as a blackbox, i don’t fiddle with, support is 5y+ , i don’t play, don’t do network stuff and UX is just straight to the point, sure there are annoying stuff and artificial limitations but at the end, it prevent me to waste time on my phone.
sure Apple is spying but compared to Google, MS or leaving unknown nerds from LineageOS snooping in the back, I am fine with it.
I use it within the legal scope and with limited apps, if something bad happens - fishing or other - at least, I could raise a case.