I think the important point is that love and violence are not in opposition. If I save someone by harming or killing their attacker, that is love. I don’t have to hate their attacker to do what needs to be done to protect them.
Anything can be used by people of varying morality to justify anything, nothing anyone says can stop that. You’re using your varying morality to protect Nazis right now.
Calling him a podcast host is downplaying everything else he was that harmed so many people, and will continue resulting in further harm even after his death.
Charlie Kirk, had he been running a country, would literally be the next hitler. Do you regularly send your love to hitler every month because people regularly talk about what a disgusting human he was? These quotes maybe generally agreeable but there are exceptions that they don’t apply to. Charlie Kirk was a man with a very large sphere of influence who worked very hard so that the world would be exact opposite of what is being described in these quotes. And he did make significant contributions to this. So even from that perspective I think you can be happy that his death has slowed down going in the other direction.
The white liberal must rid himself of the notion that there can be a tensionless transition from the old order of injustice to the new order of justice. Two things are clear to me, and I hope they are clear to white liberals. One is that the Negro cannot achieve emancipation through violent rebellion. The other is that the Negro cannot achieve emancipation by passively waiting for the white race voluntarily to grant it to him. The Negro has not gained a single right in America without persistent pressure and agitation. However lamentable it may seem, the Negro is now convinced that white America will never admit him to equal rights unless it is coerced into doing it.
Nonviolent coercion always brings tension to the surface. This tension, however, must not be seen as destructive. There is a kind of tension that is both healthy and necessary for growth. Society needs nonviolent gadflies to bring its tensions into the open and force its citizens to confront the ugliness of their prejudices and the tragedy of their racism.
It is important for the liberal to see that the oppressed person who agitates for his rights is not the creator of tension. He merely brings out the hidden tension that is already alive.
~ Martin Luther King Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?
White folks love quoting Martin Luther
'Cause he held hands and prayed when they bombed his building
Good for him, but the times have changed
And don’t forget, white folks still killed him
Yeah man just like we loved the literal Nazis of WW2 so much they surrendered without any bloodshed.
Oh wait it took countless lives to beat them. Hatred for sure was a thing on all sides. Disgusting but effective. And i am sorry for the soldiers who often had no say about being thrown into a meat grinder of hate. I still think the foreclosure of the concentration camps was one the most important achievements of mankind.
Like i get the message but i really would love to hear how Donald and his flock of Xenophobes can be changed by love.
The amount of hatred here is disturbing.
You think this guy was an idiot? Just a dumb liberal?
Here’s a couple more fools:
Jeez, what a bunch of nazi-enabling jerks.
I think people will ask how the power of peace and love stopped Nazi Germany and protected the victims of the holocaust.
Empathy, solidarity, and love are important but let’s not pretend that if we just love those who hate minorities hard enough, they’ll stop doing it.
I think the important point is that love and violence are not in opposition. If I save someone by harming or killing their attacker, that is love. I don’t have to hate their attacker to do what needs to be done to protect them.
This idea can be employed to justify lots of things of varying morality. I don’t think you can really mean it as a general principle.
Anything can be used by people of varying morality to justify anything, nothing anyone says can stop that. You’re using your varying morality to protect Nazis right now.
It’s addressing your assumption that the comments here are due to hatred.
Sure, but how does that apply to wishing good things to the family of a murdered podcast host? Is that really the point where to should make a stand?
I think it will work on some people.
Calling him a podcast host is downplaying everything else he was that harmed so many people, and will continue resulting in further harm even after his death.
You could argue there’s less hate in the world now
Is there something strange happening in your instance? I’ve seen a few accounts from there commenting some weird right-wing things lately.
Like for instance? It’s a free for all instance, so anyone can join.
“Like for instance?” What do you mean, sorry?
I’m aware anybody can join, but I’ve found instances tend to have stereotypes
I meant: what kind of weird right-wing things, can you give examples?
Oh! Sure, things like comparing Kirk to MLK and running obfuscation and defense for people who spread fascist rhetoric.
Charlie Kirk, had he been running a country, would literally be the next hitler. Do you regularly send your love to hitler every month because people regularly talk about what a disgusting human he was? These quotes maybe generally agreeable but there are exceptions that they don’t apply to. Charlie Kirk was a man with a very large sphere of influence who worked very hard so that the world would be exact opposite of what is being described in these quotes. And he did make significant contributions to this. So even from that perspective I think you can be happy that his death has slowed down going in the other direction.
~ Martin Luther King Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?
– Bob Vylan.
Yeah man just like we loved the literal Nazis of WW2 so much they surrendered without any bloodshed.
Oh wait it took countless lives to beat them. Hatred for sure was a thing on all sides. Disgusting but effective. And i am sorry for the soldiers who often had no say about being thrown into a meat grinder of hate. I still think the foreclosure of the concentration camps was one the most important achievements of mankind.
Like i get the message but i really would love to hear how Donald and his flock of Xenophobes can be changed by love.
Why so much hate? Didn’t you learn to love your jerky neighbours? 😘