• rustyfish@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Didn’t help they kidnapped people from Japan.

    Then lied about the kidnappings.

    Then lied about them being dead.

    Then lied about them being alive.

    Then lied about their ashes.

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      9 months ago

      Then lied about them being dead

      Then lied about them being alive.

      Well they might have been right at some point, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt…

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      9 months ago

      Not just Japan. When they need language teachers and translators, they just dock their subs close to the beach of the country, and kidnap anyone they found there.

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            9 months ago

            Honestly, not the same thing. Atrocious, but not indescriminant submarine based abductions from far away lands for the language skills.

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              9 months ago

              You said it sounds like propaganda. I gave you an example of what they did (verifiably) which is not.

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                9 months ago

                I understand what occurred, I was right here. It DOES sound like propaganda, and it never happened. Did NK kidnap public figures from its immediate neighbor? Yea!

                Is that neighbor part of the same hundreds of years old country that was split apart 30 years before this? Also yea!

                Does any of this have anything to do with NK rolling up on a beach via a submarine and kidnapping people to teach language classes? No! That’s ridiculous, and providing a link that shows that NK did in fact kidnap VERY SPECIFIC people, when someone else is suggesting this is happening near indiscriminately is basically lying.

                Jesus, I sound like an NK apologist. Fuck NK, and fuck any govt that does the things nk does, but making up bullshit and exaggerating beyond reason in order to frame NK as somehow even worse than it is, is by definition propaganda.

                Edit: as pointed out by OP, NK did in fact kidnap civilians from Japan for the purposes of teaching foreign languages.

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                    9 months ago

                    I stand sorta corrected, I guess…

                    Maybe worth noting propaganda and the truth aren’t mutually exclusive. Propaganda can and often is true; falsehood isn’t what makes it propaganda

                    Not just Japan. When they need language teachers and translators, they just dock their subs close to the beach of the country, and kidnap anyone they found there.

                    This is the comment I’m posting about.

                    That Sounds Like Propaganda

                    Let me further clarify: That sounds like a talking point pushed by someone who has a vested interest in convincing people that somehow NK is even worse than it actually is that has been picked up and repeated until it’s taken as fact. It does not matter how factual it actually is.

                    And you know what, nobody needs to worry about being kidnapped by North Koreans in submarines.

                    Get some reading comprehension.

        • boyi@lemmy.sdf.org
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          9 months ago

          It does sound like that. Exaggerated for sure, however it’s not that far from reality although to a lesser extend during 70’s, if I am not mistaken.

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            9 months ago

            Op posted a link to the kidnapping incident you’re likely referring to in thread. Pretty interesting. Terrifying too.

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            9 months ago

            It could be a joke, sure. Lots of propaganda appears to be. Watch loony toons about the war in the Pacific during the 40s. Being a joke doesn’t make it not propaganda.

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        9 months ago

        Reminds me of a story about how they kidnapped a movie director to make films for them. I don’t remember the details though.

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        9 months ago

        Okay but I can’t speak North Korean so I’m going to be pretty bad language teacher, I’m not sure how that’s supposed to work.