cross-posted from: https://pawb.social/post/7233504

Supporting the Rules

alt text: “the state of the animation industry”

“you’re pirating that show? don’t you wanna support the creators?” “I AM the creator.”

“haha the only way I can show future employers my work is to send a link to a bunch of pirated copies of it haha what a nightmare haha”

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    94·
    9 months ago

    Didn’t Nintendo get caught selling pirated copies of their old NES games?

  • SuperApples@lemmy.worldEnglish
    49·
    9 months ago

    I have this problem. A couple of AAA projects I worked on, years of work, got cancelled and all that exists now is “stolen” footage. Then there’s the dozen mobile apps that have been pulled from the app stores (or gotten “out of date” and no longer supported). Can’t find APKs or store listings, just 3rd party site reviews are the only evidence of their existence.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
        28·
        9 months ago

        Probably their contracts forbid them to, so even if they save something, it is practically piracy anyway.

        Most code written by software engineers work the same way. The code is owned by the company, the employee can’t keep any of it after you leave or is fired.

        • Miaou@jlai.luEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          Every job you mean, of course anything you do at work is your company’s property.

    • Uiop@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      9 months ago

      The credits couldnt theoretically magically appear?

      I mean they wouldn’t be infringing on copyright or whatevs since they are just a list of names. and additionally most people on these lists would corroborrate the existance of most other people there (which doesnt make it perfect, but better)

  • kandoh@reddthat.comEnglish
    43·
    9 months ago

    Infinity Train is really good if you haven’t watched it. Very short episodes too. Probably my favorite piece of animation in the last 10 years.

    • Kissaki@feddit.deEnglish
      17·
      9 months ago

      The intro music (if you want to call the background music soundscape thingy that) is exceptional. Always emotionally touched me.

      I can definitely recommend the Infinity Train series too.

      • Jojo@lemm.eeEnglish
        13·
        9 months ago

        I think the first season was pretty excellent. The mystique disappeared a little bit after that, which definitely changed how the episodes felt going forward, but it was still good

        • wrekone@lemmyf.ukEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          The third season genuinely made me angry. Not that it wasn’t good. There were just so many unlikable characters that it was hard to watch sometimes.

        • Kissaki@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          I agree the series got worse through the seasons. And not only because of mystique loss.

    • jabathekekEnglish
      10·
      9 months ago

      Looks like something I would want to watch. Isn’t it strange how the first time I’ve ever heard of it in the five years since it’s inception is on a forum devoted to piracy? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

      • HoustonHenry@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        9 months ago

        I’d recommend Final Space if you haven’t heard of it, as well as Scavengers Reign for a newer title

        • jabathekekEnglish
          6·
          9 months ago

          Ah, I love cookies. And Final Space.

          The ending though… gee wiz.

      • Exocrinous@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        You can watch Infinity Train in a day if you want to. But you won’t want to. You’ll want to sit with each season for a few hours afterwards and process it.

    • MBM@lemmings.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      It’s weird, I remember there being a pilot for it and people not being sure if it’d get picked up, and now suddenly it’s ended and has multiple seasons

      • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        It’s actually really fun to compare the pilot with its equivalent episode in the show, cool to see what little changes they made.

    • ogeist@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      9 months ago

      Zaslav and whoever is influencing the bad movies at Sony are a danger to the industry. I do believe Warner Brothers was better before (like long ago) but they got in the make money fast mentality and took hostage good franchises doing cash grab after cash grab. Of course, making money is the name of the game but either you produce shit quick or produce a good product. That is how Marvel got where they are, with good products, but as you know they also switched to the quick-shit money making strategy.

      Liked your rant btw.

      • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
        141·
        9 months ago

        Yep marvel shifted to put out shit and take in the cash. They forgot it has to be good for people to go. At this point superhero movies should be shelved the public is not going to them, and they have damaged the brand.

        • yamanii@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          9 months ago

          And suddenly everyone is hyped again for Deadpool 3, people are only tired of bad shit.

        • circuscritic@lemmy.caEnglish
          6·
          9 months ago

          After unceremoniously shitting all over the Netflix Marvel shows, Disney+ is doing an about-face and literally rebooting some of them WITH the original creators i.e. Punisher Season 3, it’s happening.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        They are saying they would like you to buy the game either from them directly (I assume on their website or something) or via steam, or GoG or if all else fails for you then pirate it.

        I assume they are stating in order of preference.

        Presumably if you buy the game directly from them they get 100% of the cut.

      • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
        36·
        9 months ago

        TLDR from Factorio devs: piracy costs only pirates(electricity bill, internet bills), resellers costs game studios a lot(fees, chargebacks) and often are part of fraud and money launderung.

      • groet@feddit.deEnglish
        18·
        9 months ago

        They sometimes buy keys using stolen credit cards. When the fraud is found out, the banks will request the money from the developer. They in turn often don’t have a way to lock the fraudulent key, so it remains valid.

        The costs for the initial bank transfer, plus the time invested in returning the money to the credit card holder are payed by the developer.

        The key reseller has a 100% profit margin, the customer has a valid and cheap game key, and the developer actually lost time and money.

        • theshatterstone54@feddit.ukEnglish
          10·
          9 months ago

          Never realised this could lead to a loss from the game dev

          Edit: So do it for Ubisoft, EA etc. but not for indie games. Got it.

          Oh wait. realises you can’t do it for big companies anymore

  • ApollosArrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    9 months ago

    As someone in the industry, I have done this as well, even while sometimes working at the very same company who should in theory have easy access to said files.

  • cooopsspace@infosec.pubEnglish
    26·
    9 months ago

    Also

    “Don’t you want to support the creators”

    Yeah, preferably them rather than the majority share go to Spotify or Netflix.

  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.eeEnglish
    15·
    9 months ago

    Anyone got a link to some reading on this subject? This is the first I’m hearing about it and it seems pretty complex.

      • ApollosArrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        This is the latest example that sparked it off again, but stuff like this has been going on for a decade. Many animators and vfx artists who work for high profile companies never get the final versions of their work and sometimes work on locked down servers where they can’t easily copy the work for themselves. They are at the whim of the company to provide them the files. Usually they are ignored so the artists resort to pirating the work to then edit it down and showcase on their websites and reels.

      • Psychodelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        This Zaslav guy’s kind of dumb, overpaid piece of shit, eh?

        Anyone know how the $250 mil he’s paid in stock options works? In one of the links in the article above it says he only gets that money if the stock goes above a certain price. Surely, there’s tiers or brackets or something, right? Like, considering the stock has only gone down, it seems hard to believe he literally gets zero value out of all that stock

  • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    9 months ago

    I had such high hopes for HBO Max as a bastion for animation before they got completely fucked. They nuked Summer Camp Island (a very wholesome, charming, and slightly weird show) right before its final season came out, delaying the premiere more than a year and with zero notice to its creator, Julia Pott. Pott implied as legally as she could that the season would get out there one way or another, so either someone at CN has a heart or her threat worked.

    And to this day they deny that Summer Camp Island, OK KO, Infinity Train (one of CN’s top performing shows!), and others even existed, while cutting funding for even more shows. I’m still devastated, we had a beautiful revival in the 2010s, but now there’s barely anything new on at all. So many up and coming creators utterly shafted no matter what network they work with.

    All we really have left is Prime and Netflix, and god knows those aren’t reliable. What a mess…

  • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
    7·
    9 months ago

    Random question: does anyone here know someone who has acces to MLP seasons 1-6 music files? I’m interested in instrumentals and original files before lossy compression.