• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    You apparently don’t realize that Putin never said anything of the sort and that Russia’s been preparing their economy for this for years. So far, the “masterstroke” is driving western countries deeper into recession and getting China and India to accelerate dedollarization.

    This is going to be the end of the western financial system running the global economy. The only time you can legally freeze assets of a central bank are when UN invokes article 7 or when there is a declaration of war. Neither of these things happened last I checked. Therefore, freezing Russia’s central bank is literal robbery in legal terms that completely delegitimizes western financial system. This is precisely why every western financial institution was categorically against this “masterstroke”. These financial experts actually understand the implications of what was done. Yet, they weren’t even consulted. Instead, they consulted Freeland who is an ideologue like you and completely out of her depth.

    Meanwhile, west is still buying energy, commodities, food, and fertilizer from Russia to a tune of over 700 million a day. So, these idiots quickly realized that they can’t even meaningfully enforce the sanctions they themselves created.

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      He’d spent years preparing for the lukewarm sanctions and half-hearted resistance of his first invasion. He clearly did a “uh oh”:

      https://www.allsides.com/news/2022-03-18-0548/his-invasion-ukraine-bogs-down-putin-admits-western-sanctions-are-killing-his

      I find that crying about the legality of freezing the central bank reserves is ironic given it’s hampering an illegal invasion. You want to go rogue? Enjoy living outside the community of nations. Meanwhile, the invasion is stalling out for lack of computer chips to resupply guided missiles. But I thought you said, Russia was self-sufficient? It’s pure delusion to believe that, in this day and age.

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        Nobody is crying about the legality of freezing the central bank reserves. What you’re being told is that western financial experts think this was a bad idea because they understand that doing so undermines western financial system.

        Meanwhile, Russia has been producing its own chips for all its military equipment since 2014. Something you would know if you actually had a clue regarding the subject you keep yammering about.

        Also, waiting to see actual evidence of the invasion stalling. Last I checked, all the Ukrainian forces are encircled in Donbass, and once they run out of food and fuel the Ukrainian army will collapse.

        I guess being a westerner you can’t understand why Russia isn’t bombing the shit out of civilians as first order of business and levelling the cities in Ukraine the way NATO would’ve done.

        I still don’t see why you feel the need to flaunt your ignorance so extensively here instead of waiting a few months to see what actually happens. Why are you so desperate to document in writing how much of an ignoramus you are?

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          The war started not with air domination, but with cruise missile salvos. Those have petered off, too. Both of these indicate that even if Russia could produce chips, they can’t replace them fast enough to risk their few modern jets or restock the smart missiles they had left over from bombing Syrian hospitals.

          On the one had, you say the world will collapse without Russia, but on the other you say Russia will not collapse without the world. Despite all evidence to the contrary. A table with three legs will still stand, but a table with one… not so much.

          It’s the 3rd week of the invasion and you’re waiting to see evidence of the invasion stalling? Ha ha! The plan was to take Kyiv within days. Russia’s main issue now is that without air support, their supply convoys are vulnerable to drone and shoulder-launched strikes. Recall that the plan was not to sit around stranded tanks for weeks, so it’s an open question of who will starve first, the besieged, or the besiegers?

          Your BS about bombing civilians is straight up lies. Putin has been targeting civilians with bombs since he took power (Russians that time). Go find a Ukrainian maternity ward to hide in, if you trust him so much.

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            You sound like a real military expert there with great insight into Russian military strategy. The obvious alternative explanation is that Russia destroyed objectives like the supply depos early on, and now they’re mopping up the forces they surrounded in Donbass that can’t get resupplies. Which is what actually happening right now.

            On the one had, you say the world will collapse without Russia, but on the other you say Russia will not collapse without the world.

            This is western egoism at its finest. The west is not the world bud, and the sooner westerns learn to internalize this fact the sooner the world can move on. The evidence is that the world continues to trade with Russia, and the two biggest countries in the world are backing Russia both politically and economically.

            It’s the 3rd week of the invasion and you’re waiting to see evidence of the invasion stalling? Ha ha!

            LMFAO when US invaded Iraq with ten times the troops, which is half the size of Ukraine and completely isolated, it took them a month to get to Baghdad. US also had no problems with bombing civilians and levelling cities in Iraq. That seems like a good base line to measure against.

            The plan was to take Kyiv within days.

            Wow, you know Russian military plans, you must be well connected indeed! Seems like the evidence points to the fact that the actual plan was to draw Ukrainian military into cauldrons in the east where they ended up surrounded. Once the military breaks then Ukraine will have no choice but to negotiate a surrender with Russia. I’m not sure where you got the notion that the cities are what’s relevant here.

            Your BS about bombing civilians is straight up lies. Putin has been targeting civilians with bombs since he took power (Russians that time). Go find a Ukrainian maternity ward to hide in, if you trust him so much.

            Ok there ghost of Kiev.

            edit: here’s what an actual US colonel thinks about the situation, but I’m sure you know better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iw0m-Pc08Q

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              Looting grocery stores because your expired rations ran out does not speak to an effective supply chain.

              You are the one that sees reality as “The West” and the rest. It’s an interconnected global economy, which makes your claims of Russia being able to be cut off from the society of nations hilarious. Even the US would struggle with that, today.

              The US had air superiority in the first day or two of that war. So if it took a month to mop up the ground after that, what does this imply in the current context? Russia’s aging and ill-supplied military is going to progress even slower against more modern weapons and better intelligence. While having their economy ground down, something the US didn’t have to deal with then. When you paint it like that, this is looking like Putin’s Waterloo.

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                Looting grocery stores because your expired rations ran out does not speak to an effective supply chain.

                Making stuff up is not a convncing form of argument.

                It’s an interconnected global economy, which makes your claims of Russia being able to be cut off from the society of nations hilarious. Even the US would struggle with that, today.

                Can you explain what Russia has actually been cut off from again?

                The US had air superiority in the first day or two of that war.

                Russia had air superiority in the first day of the war. Why do you think Ukraine keeps asking NATO for a no fly zone again?

                Russia’s aging and ill-supplied military is going to progress even slower against more modern weapons and better intelligence.

                You understand that Russia is one of the top military manufacturers in the world that sells weapons across the globe yes? Given that, how do you come to the insane conclusion that Russia is running out of supplies for its own military?

                While having their economy ground down, something the US didn’t have to deal with then.

                Yeah they did ignoramus https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/economy

                When you paint it like that, this is looking like Putin’s Waterloo.

                When you’re completely divorced from reality then sure.

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                  Russia supplies the world with a flood of simple to maintain rifles, sure. Older Soviet gear is always on sale, too, just like anything that wasn’t nailed down from that era. But night vision gear on Russian tanks is French. Russia just isn’t the high tech wonderland you imagine. You’re being thick headed insisting that any single country is self-sufficient.

                  Also, you what happened to the great Soviet stockpiles of nuclear weapons? They were sold to the American nuclear energy industry to power homes and televisions. The ultimate triumph of capitalism.

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                    I love how I literally linked you an article showing what Russia actually supplies, and you continue to spread misinformation in the reply. It’s just phenomenal to see to be honest.

                    I also love how you imagine that Russia isn’t able to continue innovating and manufacturing things after USSR. All the same scientists, engineers, workers, and factories are still there, but somehow magically they stopped being able to make new things.

                    Russia just isn’t the high tech wonderland you imagine.

                    Why don’t we take a look at what people who actually know what they’re talking about have to say about this https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/09/advanced-military-technology-russia

                    You’re being thick headed insisting that any single country is self-sufficient.

                    Russia produces all of its necessities domestically, that’s a fact. Meanwhile, anything it can’t produce it gets from China https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1569862/putin-xi-russia-china-partners-sanctions-ukraine-gas-usa

                    Also, you what happened to the great Soviet stockpiles of nuclear weapons? They were sold to the American nuclear energy industry to power homes and televisions. The ultimate triumph of capitalism.

                    Russia has over 6,000 nukes, but whatever you say.