• Arete@lemmy.world
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    This is a ski shop that posted a sign saying they won’t do business with Jews, due to a Jewish person stealing a sled.

    Replace ‘Jew’ with any other ethnic group here and it’s clearly not okay, but I’m sure other commenters will make an exception.

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        the shop would no longer rent gear such as sleds, skis and snowshoes to “our Jewish brothers” after a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled.

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            Basic reading comprehension mate. The sign is wrong regardless of whether a Jewish customer stole anything. It isn’t a point worth fighting over.

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                the shop would no longer rent gear such as sleds, skis and snowshoes to “our Jewish brothers” after a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled.

                They don’t want to sell to Jews.

                Why?

                Because of a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled.

                Who are they saying stole the sled?

                “our Jewish brothers”

                If you can’t infer this just from reading, then yes you lack basic reading comprehension, regardless if the person did it or not.

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        where did it say a Jew stole the sled?

        Based on your other comments, the point you are making is that it isn’t explicitly stated, correct?

        But then why are they refusing to do business specifically with Jews after the thefts?

        And how is refusing business to a specific group not discriminatory?

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            Which makes the shop owners even more antisemitic. Someone steals something and antisemitic shop owners immediately blame all Jews. Yikes.

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              Where did the other commenter say it’s not an antisemitic incident? I believe they want to say it’s nothing to do with a sled, just pure antisemitism

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            Ok, let’s break this down, because you’re being willfully obtuse here:

            said the shop would no longer rent gear such as sleds, skis and snowshoes to “our Jewish brothers” after a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled.

            This is a rental shop, in the context of this business, theft means that someone rented a sled and didn’t bring it back. A rental shop knows exactly who they rented something to, so it’s likely they knew it was an Israeli citizen/Jew. So we can at least be sure that the shop is making the accusation that a Jew stole a sled, I don’t know why you get so hung up on that.

            Now, is it racist to put up a sign that bars a whole group of people based on a few incidents? Yes, obviously, and nobody here is denying that.

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                Holy shit, you should just clarify your point. You are getting massive down votes because you are just being terse. Here, I will help you:

                The article doesn’t say anywhere that Jews stole anything. It says there were incidents of theft, but nowhere does it mention that the perpetrators were Jewish. The owner of the shop put a sign discriminating against Jewish people regardless, because they are racist fucks.

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          I think it’s just not especially clear to people that you’re pointing out that there’s a reason the ski resort is implying, but skating around accusing a Jew of theft. For some reason people are interpreting it as pedantry instead of holding the ski resort accountable. They should be explicit about what exactly has happened so that people can see how flimsy it is instead of talking nebulously about “incidents”

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            Don’t bother, his point was very clear from the start but he isn’t here to argue in good faith, he’s here to bait people with ridiculous questions and then in turn call them anti-semites for answering them. He’s a troll, plain and simple.

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              The world has gone topsy turvy. It is anti-Semitic to ban Jews from renting your equipment, regardless of the reason (maybe if it’s made out of pork). It is not anti-Semitic to a) read the ski shop’s implication and follow it; b) think Israel should stop bombing Gaza. The other person is definitely arguing in bad faith now, but it’s a valid point to say that if the ski resort wants to make an accusation it should be specific.

              This is not a response just to you, it’s just that I feel like Jews are getting politicized because of Israel, and it feels so dangerous.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    GENEVA (AP) — Switzerland’s main Jewish organization on Monday denounced an antisemitic sign put up at a local ski shop near Davos, barring Jews from renting equipment from the store.

    The sign on Pischa Mountain above Davos, a town known for hosting the annual World Economic Forum meeting of global elites each January, said the shop would no longer rent gear such as sleds, skis and snowshoes to “our Jewish brothers” after a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled.

    The message, written in Hebrew, appeared to be directed at Israeli Jews who have been traveling to Davos in growing numbers in recent years — both for summertime and wintertime holiday getaways.

    “After a series of annoying incidents, including the theft of a sled, we are no longer renting out sporting equipment to our Jewish brothers,” said the sign, put on a window at a counter with helmets sitting on a shelf in the back.

    Kreutner initially said the federation planned legal action for alleged violation of Swiss anti-racism laws, but said it would likely defer to a regional prosecutor who was looking into the matter.

    The incident comes against a backdrop of rising antisemitism across Europe and beyond, largely in connection with the Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip that has killed more than 28,300 Palestinians in the territory, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run enclave.


    The original article contains 484 words, the summary contains 234 words. Saved 52%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Collective punishment is a war crime

    [adding:] … isn’t it ironic, don’t you think…

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    So Israeli Jews can be dicks to others without repercussions but no one can call them out on their bullshit? Gotcha

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        Israeli tourists behaving badly.

        the shop would no longer rent gear such as sleds, skis and snowshoes to “our Jewish brothers” after a series of “very annoying incidents” — including the theft of a sled. The message, written in Hebrew, appeared to be directed at Israeli Jews who have been traveling to Davos in growing numbers in recent years

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            Sorry, it sounded like you hadn’t the article.

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              Maybe you didn’t read the first paragraph?

              Switzerland’s main Jewish organization on Monday denounced an antisemitic sign put up at a local ski shop near Davos, barring Jews from renting equipment from the store. Regional police opened an investigation.

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      I mean, I think it’s heavily implied by the context, such that any reasonable reader would make that assumption…

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          Look, man. Obviously not every Israeli tourist is bad. However, the article is specifically about a response to Israeli tourists being bad, and protests by Jews calling the (obviously inappropriate) response anti-Semitism. If you read that, and your first thought is, “Well, the sign didn’t specifically say it was an Israeli tourist who stole the bike… clearly everyone is just jumping to conclusions because they’re racist!”, I think you need to take a step back and look at the whole situation.

          What makes more sense? 1) Israeli tourists cause problems in shop, including stealing a sled. Shop owner posts sign banning Israeli tourists from the shop. Or 2) Some random non-Israeli causes problems in the shop, shop owner bans Israeli tourists because for unrelated reasons?

          Obviously we don’t know, because the shop owner didn’t respond to their request for comment. However, based on the information we’ve been given, elementary school level reading comprehension suggests that situation (1) is the correct one.

          Pointing that out isn’t anti-Semitism, but if you come into a thread specifically expecting and searching for anti-Semitism, you’re going to see it everywhere, and I think that’s what’s happening here.

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              The term ‘Jewish’ referring to both the followers of the religion and people of Hebrew descent in general makes it very hard (for me, at least) to keep track of a conversation like this, and any inaccuracies in usage of any related terms is a product of personal ignorance about the nuances of the words, not an attempt at veiled racism.

              That said, the sign said ‘our Jewish brothers’, and didn’t actually mention Israel at all; the presumption that it’s referring to Israeli tourists is only mentioned later. Whether it was referring to Israelis in general, or orthodox jews as mentioned later in the article, we can only guess, but I don’t think it really matters, as either way, it’s discriminatory. I’m certainly not defending his response to the situation.

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              Given the owner could not be reached for comment, all the article has to go on is his sign. I’m choosing to assume he experienced a sleight that prompted (inappropriate) action on his part, and you’re (apparently) choosing to assume he made the whole thing up just because he hates Jews and wanted to ban them from his shop.

              I’m perfectly happy to change my view on this when the shop owner’s account comes out if it proves warranted, but I’ll point out that the article did not comment on the veracity of the claim at all, and if it could have been reasonably proven illegitimate, I assume it would have.

              I don’t think either of our positions here are wholly unreasonable, but I do think that trying to claim anti-Semitism any time anyone has a critical opinion of anyone from Israel, you’re diluting the term and generally making it meaningless.

              Edit: To be clear, I’m specifically referring to you calling me an anti-Semite because of my read of an article, not the assumption that the shop owner is an anti-Semite because of a ridiculous sign.

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                  But you are assuming, you’re just mincing words. You’re taking a stance on something the article does not explicitly state. That is an assumption.

                  Obligatory:

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      Trotzdem bleibt er dabei, dass die jüdischen Gäste oft ihre Schlitten stehen lassen und nicht zurückbringen. „Wir wollen den täglichen Ärger nicht mehr und machen darum von unserem Recht Gebrauch, zu entscheiden, wer unser Eigentum mieten kann und wer nicht.“

      For everyones sanity, just google it next time. The owner says in another article about it that several jewish customers did not return the sleds after renting them but just abandoned them when they were done sledding. Renting and not returning something constitutes theft.