• Lemminary@lemmy.world
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      I’m not a Dem because I don’t even live in the states but I’ll say it if it keeps you from spreading this inaccurate, unhelpful and nearsighted rhetoric. I’m honestly tired of hearing it.

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        it must be so tough for you to keep hearing about how the IDF is handling this conflict and about that manifests in terms of human lives

        you truly are a brave little soldier for reading some posts on the internet about it, and certainly far braver than all the people who are like, actually living it as their day-to-day experience

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          Oh yeah, I’m tough and brave because I said I’m annoyed. Type harder, keyboard warrior. You’re certainly helping people from that armchair of yours.

          Funny how this is your second comment in this thread that’s just as inflammatory and inaccurate as the first. I’m willing to bet it’s a trend with you spewing all this bullshit.

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            9 months ago

            What exactly is your stance here? That the invasion isn’t resulting in the needless deaths of countless civilians and the destruction of Gazan infrastructure? Or that that is happening, but that it’s okay?

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              Why would I need to take a stance here at all? What is your point with that?

              I’m saying that the way you’re framing this whole ordeal lacking sensibility on the matter to paint an entire political party as some draconian death panel, when in reality, the presidency is supporting a political partnership during high tensions and made a tough decision. Why is there a need to pivot this with some unhelpful, inaccurate and inflammatory rhetoric? And what’s more, now you’re accusing others of shit they have not said or even implied.

              So, really, what is your deal? Of all the valid reclamations, why is reframing and putting words in people’s mouths your go-to strategy? That is my point.

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                Why would I need to take a stance here at all?

                I think this question might have caused my brain to short circuit. You can’t disagree with somebody unless you disagree with them about something. I cannot for the life of me fathom how you could possibly ever think otherwise.

                the presidency is supporting a political partnership during high tensions and made a tough decision

                When the thing we’re talking about is continuing to aggressively fund a regime currently attempting a genocide, this is a comically lenient way of phrasing things.

                Why is there a need to pivot this with some unhelpful, inaccurate and inflammatory rhetoric?

                Pivot from what? What are you talking about? The vast majority of your reply borders on word soup, and mostly consists of doing the thing you’re currently accusing me of doing.

                So, really, what is your deal?

                That writing an article about how great of a guy Biden is while the most pressing thing going on at this very moment is how he won’t stop indirectly funding a genocide is ghoulish and repugnant.

                If we’re standing together on the street and I point out the guy currently kicking a puppy and start telling you about how much of a nice guy he is, how could you conclude anything about me other than the fact I don’t care about the puppy?

                This article is sick.

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                  I think this question might have caused my brain to short circuit.

                  Yeah, because you expect a certain answer and I’m not giving you that. I’m telling you that I’m not playing your game because I’m calling you out. Your rhetoric sucks.

                  continuing to aggressively fund a regime currently attempting a genocide

                  You know what’s also comically biased? Pretending that that’s all they’re doing, but go off.

                  The vast majority of your reply borders on word soup … and mostly consists of doing the thing you’re currently accusing me of doing.

                  Quote me, do it. If we’re doing the same thing I want to see exactly what you mean with examples. Because it seems to me that you don’t want to understand and you’re now reaching and deflecting. I was very clear with what I meant in my previous comment. I can’t help you if you don’t want to read it carefully and earnestly.

                  he won’t stop indirectly funding a genocide is ghoulish and repugnant

                  But that’s not what you wrote. You are blaming Democrats as a whole for a political decision, essentially calling every one of them a panel murderers. And now have shifted to single-handedly blaming Biden for this funding when there has been clear bipartisan support. How is it that I’m more informed on this as a foreigner? You see how you’re not the one being consistent? And I can quote you if you want although I think it’s very clear.

                  the guy currently kicking a puppy

                  The guy kicking the puppy is in Israel. The people who gave that guy the boots he’s using to kick that puppy with with are in the USA. Ultimately, who is really to blame for kicking the puppy? Why do you need to blame people in the US directly for what people in Israel are doing on their own volition by taking advantage of the situation? The people in the US are currently telling them that enough is enough. Do you see what I mean by pivoting or pinning the blame on someone else? Do you see what you’re doing?

                  This article is sick.

                  Nah, you want to make it seem sick to advance your agenda by discrediting it completely based on some unrelated issue. How disingenuous is that.

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                    Yeah, because you expect a certain answer and I’m not giving you that.

                    I literally just asked what point you were even trying to get across because you weren’t making any sense. It’s not that deep.

                    Pretending that that’s all they’re doing

                    Again, what is your stance here? That I should be criticizing everybody more? I’m not going far enough?

                    But that’s not what you wrote.

                    I’m sorry I didn’t fill out the bulletpoint list for you. For the avoidance of doubt:

                    • Yes, the democratic party are to blame for this
                    • Yes, Biden is to blame for this
                    • Yes, the article is bad

                    It’s a statement that criticises the democratic party, and by extension Biden, explicitly tied back to the article via the structure of the headline.

                    The guy kicking the puppy is in Israel.

                    It’s a metaphor for “doing a bad thing”. Funding a regime attempting genocide is a bad thing.

                    I know you need my analogy to not work—because it makes it painfully obvious how tone-deaf an article about how great Biden is, written when the most relevant thing he’s done recently is funding a genocide—but it’s very clearly fine.

                    Why do you need to blame people in the US

                    If you insist on using your analogy, the US won’t stop cheering on the puppy kicker even after everybody’s asked them to stop.

                    The people in the US are currently telling them that enough is enough.

                    They’re telling them that enough is enough while continuing to fund their war and doing absolutely nothing to stop them. Words without actions are cheap. Apparently that’s enough for you, though?

                    you want to make it seem sick to advance your agenda

                    my horrific agenda of “genocide is bad, actually”

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        It’s not inaccurate, just a little hyperbolic. I would say greater than 10:1 rather than a hundred fold. That’s comparing the mismatch of civilian killings and assuming that at some level of mismatch democrat leadership would care.

        It seems pretty accurate to suggest that democratic leadership looked at Palestinian civilian deaths on the one hand, and our foreign policy interests in the region and domestic politics on the other and made a choice.

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          I knew from the start they were going to hit at least the 8-10k range, because anything less would make Israelis feel like not enough Palestinians had died to balance out their 1200-1400. If they had a magic gun that could execute every perpetrator and every one involved in the planning, they’d use it and then go kill some more people to run the numbers up to an “appropriate” level. Or maybe Netanyahu wouldn’t use the gun because they’re more important to him as a justification for the ethnic cleansing than for anything related to justice or prevention.

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          It seems pretty accurate to suggest that democratic leadership looked at Palestinian civilian deaths on the one hand, and our foreign policy interests in the region and domestic politics on the other and made a choice.

          Yeah, but that’s not what the other person is saying. That’s what you filled in being more reasonable.