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UNRWA chief says Israel has not yet presented evidence on its accusations
The UN agency Unrwa’s commissioner general, Philippe Lazzarini, has told the Financial Times that Israel has yet to present any evidence to it over its accusations that around a dozen Unrwa staff had been involved in the 7 October attacks against Israel.
If there’s no evidence, as the chief of the org accused of part taking in the attack claims, how is it that so many countries withdrew their funding for UNRWA pretty much immediately?
If there’s evidence why can’t we see it :)
Apparently because you’re not capable of operating a search engine
That headline is a lie bordering on gross journalistic malpractice and you’d know if you’d actually have kept reading rather than just automatically trust the opinion of a fiercely pro-Israel outlet.
a dossier provided to the United States government that details Israel’s claims
Claims, not evidence
The accusations are contained in a dossier provided to the United States government that details Israel’s claims against a dozen employees of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency who, it says
Accusations and “Israel’s government says” aren’t evidence either.
The accusations are what prompted eight countries, including the United States, to suspend some aid payment to the UNRWA
Again, accusations, not evidence. Nothing has been proven as
U.N.’s Office of Internal Oversight Services was still investigating.
These accusations seemed credible enough for the US and many other countries to withdraw funding so it seems they are more than mere accusations. Also funny that you claim journalistic malpractice since the NYT uncritically amplified claims that Israel bombed a hospital and killed hundreds early in the war even when these claims were wild right off the bat and turned out to be competely false… So I guess at the very least they do malpractice across political lines.
These accusations seemed credible enough for the US and many other countries to withdraw funding
Because AIPAC and other pressure groups force the majority of US politicians to pretend that the Israeli government is automatically right about everything and that to say otherwise is to support Hamas.
Meanwhile, the other countries are following along because they don’t want to get on the bad side of the US government.
so it seems they are more than mere accusations
No, that doesn’t follow at all. Governments sometimes act rashly with no evidentiary basis. Sometimes governments do things because other governments doing it makes them feel pressure to go along. This is an egregious example of both and likely to cost thousands of innocent civilian lives.
the NYT uncritically amplified claims that Israel bombed a hospital and killed hundreds early in the war
I guarantee you they didn’t. They treat the Israeli government like they treat cops: justified by default no matter what.
these claims were wild right off the bat and turned out to be competely false
Actually turned out to be an IDF rocket accidentally hitting the hospital. Given their history of doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING and then lying about it, suspecting the IDF of bombing a hospital on purpose is hardly “wild”.
Here you can see the damage that reporting like this has done, you’re still in denial about the hospital incident. If you want to see a great video by an analyst who isn’t a partisan hack (unlike Hasan Piker or whoever you saw on the topic) here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_1bFbk9MIQ
seems
By your own word they’re not really credible. If they were you wouldn’t have had to say this.
I’ve not gone through the intelligence Israel provided on UNRWA but the people who have withdrew their funding over it and UNRWA firing people left right and central to do damage control. Therefore I say “seem”. I qualify these things because I’m not running around with ideological blinders that force me to try and discredit everything that doesn’t fit my very narrow worldview through nitpicks like “you said seem lol”
Details Emerge on U.N. Workers Accused of Aiding Hamas Raid
Israeli officials have presented evidence they say ties workers at a Palestinian aid agency in Gaza to violence during the Hamas-led attack on Israel.
One is accused of kidnapping a woman. Another is said to have handed out ammunition. A third was described as taking part in the massacre at a kibbutz where 97 people died. And all were said to be employees of the United Nations aid agency that schools, shelters and feeds hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
The accusations are contained in a dossier provided to the United States government that details Israel’s claims against a dozen employees of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency who, it says, played a role in the Hamas attacks against Israel on Oct. 7 or in their aftermath.
The U.N. said on Friday that it had fired several employees after being briefed on the allegations. But little was known about the accusations until the dossier was reviewed on Sunday by The New York Times.
The accusations are what prompted eight countries, including the United States, to suspend some aid payment to UNRWA, as the agency is known, even as war plunges Palestinians in Gaza into desperate straits. More than 26,000 people have been killed there and nearly two million displaced, according to Gazan and U.N. officials.
The UNRWA workers have been accused of helping Hamas stage the attack that set off the war in Gaza, or of aiding it in the days after. Some 1,200 people in Israel were killed that day, Israeli officials say, and about 240 were abducted and taken to Gaza.
U.N. officials initially said all 12 employees were fired, but on Sunday, the United Nations secretary general, António Guterres, said nine had been dismissed. Asked about Israel’s allegations on Sunday, UNRWA said that two of the 12 employees were dead but that it could not provide more information while the U.N.’s Office of Internal Oversight Services was still investigating.
Thanks for the source despite the attitude. I wonder how those two died.
100+ UNRWA workers have been killed so far by IDF airstrikes. His source it false by the way, NYT saw no evidence, they just put a lie in the title for clickbait value and then corrected their lie in the paywalled article.
They’re pretty clear on calling it accusations at least.
Israeli officials have presented evidence
But the “presented” evidence was in fact not presented in the article. Nor anywhere else. Hidden would be a more fitting word.
No worries. Quite possible they died during the attacks or later on during the bombing campaigns. Also possible they got mopped up by hamas, as they commonly do purges. But your guess is as good as mine.
@breakfastmtn it’s your time to shine again
Technically the Chief never said that at all. Philippe Lazzarini terminated 9 of the 13 accused employees immediately upon the dossier and called for transparent independent investigation.
The countries that cut funding started with the USA and then Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania followed suit, totaling a loss of $667.2 Million USD out of the $1.17 Billion USD operating budget. However, more than half of that amount was the USA alone at $343.9 M or just under 30% of their total budget.
The requested investigations have not taken place and the allegations of Netanyahu’s regime that 190 workers under UNRWA employment were militants, the sort of people that hand out food and water for charity some of which were public school teachers, are totally uncorroborated. Maybe the evidence will show itself, it honestly makes sense for Hamas to try to corrupt a charity organization when they themselves started out as a charity arm of the Muslim Brotherhood that once controlled Egypt, but as of right now we know nothing. It’s probably even more likely that Netanyahu is full of shit for simultaneously having all of this intel about the attack and also being completely blindsided by it.
“Well, Israel, you are a genocidal country, but I must say, you steam a good hamin.”
Guilty until proven to be pro-genocide, I see.
Delightfully devilish, Netanyahu!
Truly an unforgettable luncheon.
Didn’t Israel provide the info to a bunch of countries about like 100 potential people? The info prompted them to pull funding…
I can’t tell if you are in agreement or disagreement. Btw, the first wiki article you sent says 190 are documented. Then the rest say other things.
The wiki link quotes a Reuters articles that states: “The six-page dossier, seen by Reuters, alleges that some 190 UNRWA employees, including teachers, have doubled as Hamas or Islamic Jihad militants. It has names and pictures for 11 them.” That seems like no documention if they do not even have a name for 179/190 of these claimed operatives. What I am confused about is what facts have to do with “agreement or disagreement,” especially when they have all proven your initial belief incorrect and answered your query, what are facts supposed to be agreeing/disagreeing with?
Agree deez nuts. gottem mom
Slow down with the conspiracy theories there. The ICJ has not accused Israel of genocide. South Africa has. ICJ is just the venue and has not yet made a ruling.
You might not take it seriously that UN employees participated in the Oct. 7 attack, but it’s enough evidence for the UN to fire the employees and launch a massive investigation.
Don’t take my word for it, here are the words of the UNRWA Commissioner-General:
I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay. Any UNRWA employee who was involved in acts of terror will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.
Saying “slow down with the conspiracy theories” to a post that has no mention of any conspiracy only to launch into your own conspiracy theory of UN being Hamas…
Yea that seems par for the course for the defenders of Israel’s ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people whose land has been turned into an apartheid state.
Sir this is political memes, not everything is going to be completely accurate, but let’s be real for a minute. Nobody would be surprised if Israel actually did this. Israel accuses everyone that doesn’t take their side as being Hamas.
The point is that the ICJ didn’t accuse Israel for genocide.
No, they tentatively agreed with South Africa’s accusation towards Israel for genocide. Because 95% of the world know it’s a genocide. Why are we arguing semantics over a meme?
They did not. They said that Israel needs to let more aid in and do more for the protection of civilians, but the decision if it counts as a genocide is pending. Also its not 95 %, its 95 % on lemmy. In the real world people check if any of the criteria for a genocide is fulfilled. And spoiler: they are either not fulfilled or up for dicsussion.
Really? Last i checked every country except the pieces of shit ones we actively try to wipe out agreed it’s genocide and have condemned Israel. This is as textbook a case of genocide as China wiping out the Wygirs. Denying it is cope or just malicious at this point.
Its not, though. The definition is ‘actions with the intention to whipe out an entire people’. And as long as you don’t count Hamas as a people, its simply not happening.
In more detail, a genocide are acts, with the intention of whiping out a people, by doing either:
- killing individuals because they are part of this people
- Inflicting severe physical or mental damage to individuals because they are part of this people
- The deliberate subjugation to living conditions aimed at the total or partial destruction of this people
- Forced Birth control
- Kidnapping with the intention of assimilating them.
Lets consider the genocide of Uigyurs. The CCP is guilty of 2 and 5. You can also debate if 4 is valid – but since the CCP is also doing that to their own people, its debatable.
Next consider the Russian attack on Ukraine. While they are killing a lot of individuals, this alone is no genocide. A war is no genocide. Nevertheless, there is some evidence, that 5 is happening – which would constitute a genocide.
And now back to Israel. Israel is killing a lot of individuals and inflict mental and physical damage to them. But this isn’t done with the intention of elimating the Palestinians (similar to Russia and Ukraine). This is simply war. There are for example Palestinians living in Israel and they are not harmed. For 4 and 5 are no evidence at all. That leaves 3 open. And this is actually the point open for discussion. Israel is heavily influence the living conditions. The question is, if this is done for war tactics (to starve the Hamas) or if this is already so severe, that this could constitute a genocide.
And this is also the part the ICJ discusses and hasn’t come to a decision yet.
So calling this a genocide is definitely a stretch.
This doesnt mean, that the attack on Palestine and the continued denial of a two-state solution is just. And I personally am definitely advocating for a ceasefire and a rebuild of an independent Palestinian state, for which Israel needs to pay for. And not calling it a genocide doesnt mean that there were no war crimes.
But calling it a genocide? Far stretch.
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to cope with being violently incorrect.
Here’s the key quote actually,
“To protect the Agency’s ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay.”
So basically he’s saying he did it to make sure aid kept coming, which didn’t happen anyway, not because he had seen convincing evidence.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227142760/unrwa-un-agency-gaza-hamas-employees-oct-7-attack
ICJ is just the venue and has not yet made a ruling.
The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ (unanimously) issued an injunction /order because there is credible risk of genocide for Israel to stop killing members of the group, preserve evidence, and provide humanitarian aid to the 1.5 million refugees.
Mainstream media all around is just obfuscating the gravity of this.
Genocide can be a crime committed by one or a few individuals. It doesn’t have to be a top-to-bottom organized effort. This just says that there are some individuals who seem motivated to commit genocide and if they do the Israeli government needs to preserve evidence. And that Israel should avoid situations where genocide is a risk.
Exactly. The ICJ just says that Israel should continue to carry out the present operation and take action to prevent future genocide. There’s no statement that Israel or anyone in Israel is committing or attempting to commit genocide at present.
