No one says all-or-nothing for any human or group. No one or thing can be either all bad or all good. That is lazy thinking. Governments have been wrong in the past.
In their case, it is because of a vaccine against their will. But, yeah, I don’t want to wear a mask. Now, if some rude SoB if coughing and sneezing near me, I’d put one on if I carried one (I don’t) and ask him/her to. But, it hasn’t happened yet.
Some of you remind me of the Buddhist saying about the finger pointing to the moon is not what you are supposed to focus on - you are supposed to focus on the moon. You don’t get the point. To me, this vaccine or mask mandate isn’t about a virus, but about control. Throughout human history, one group or another sought to control the population. I left home at age 16 because I didn’t want my family to control me or the school or church.
There are psychological tests that rate what you most value. Time and again for me it is freedom. i never married or had kids because I value freedom more. I equate freedom with dignity. You have a right to your own values, but have no right to choose mine for me or impose your values onto others.
I am a vegan, atheist, healthnut and a minimalist - should I impose my values on you? Is that considerate?
If anything these people have proven they cannot make their own decisions. They are literally advocating against public health measures that have been shown effective.
Anyone who wont wear a mask is just an asshole, plain and simple. Deal with it and get over your hurt feelings. Also, i’m sure you’re one of the many people here concerned about government surveillance and whatever, so why not wear a mask just to keep your ugly mug off of cameras? That alone should be a good enough reason for you.
This has nothing to do with values, it’s a public health issue and people like you cant see beyond your own smug sense of self government to save yourself.
You cherry pick your doctors and scientists and I have a slew i can quote from. This is a waste of our time, and that is exactly why each person should have the responsiblitiy and the right to live how they want and to live with the results of their choices. Promiscuous sex spreads diseases - even to women who’ve only been with one man all of their life. Should we outlaw sex outside of marriage? We could go on and on about how we each affect each other.
Don’t I have the right to live without you getting me infected even if you could have taken measures against it? Your freedom argument is a dead end. This goes beyond personal freedom and you need to accept that.
it is a dead end, because only symptoms can infect others. If my immune system handles it, there are no symptoms. this is not the black plague or rabies. 99% live and over 80% never get sick/symptoms.
I won’t accept lies and poor logic. if your mask works so well, you have no need for me to wear one - especially since I stand farther away and have no symptoms. If you think I am a leper, stay home.
A drunk behind the wheel of a car is more dangerous, yet bars have parking lots full of cars and you have to drive to the store to buy booze, maybe it should only be delivered? you are a coward about the wrong thing, mister. You are scared because soeone else TOLD you to be scared. That is pathetic.
if your mask works so well, you have no need for me to wear one – especially since I stand farther away and have no symptoms.
This is a weird argument since it has been proven that if both people wear a mask, the possibility of transmission is reduced even further than if only one person wears a mask. You have more mucous membranes than your nose and mouth, so you’d have to wear a full face mask with an ABEK filter or something like that so you’re 100% safe. Source control (the potentially infectious person wearing a mask) is more effective than (just) target control.
You don’t need to have any symptoms to be an infectious carrier of COVID-19.
I won’t accept lies and poor logic. […] If you think I am a leper, stay home.
I won’t accept lies and poor logic either. I just accept facts. You argue with feelings.
Your freedom ends where my freedom begins. Why should I stay home when you can wear a mask in public? It’s not that hard. People who don’t wear masks without a proper reason are just weak and pathetic.
you have to drive to the store to buy booze, maybe it should only be delivered?
If you always drink the booze at the store, you are the problem. Most people can control themselves until they know they don’t have to drive anymore. Apart from the bad analogy which has nothing to do with wearing a mask.
I hope another virus comes through the planet and wipes out the whiners and weaklings. Your lack of logic is so much like a fundamentalist religious zealot: “Because the Bible says so, you heathen”.
|Your freedom ends where my freedom begins.
Thee must be 500 ways - including via taxes- that you infringe on my freedom day in and day out.
Go back to your twinkies, lard add.
Veganism is not a lifestyle nor a personal choice. It is an ethical principle which consists in the respect of the rights of individuals of other species.
Killing someone is not that kind of decision you think it is. In the end, you put your rights over other ones. It is something you even explain here you don’t want.
No one says all-or-nothing for any human or group. No one or thing can be either all bad or all good. That is lazy thinking. Governments have been wrong in the past. In their case, it is because of a vaccine against their will. But, yeah, I don’t want to wear a mask. Now, if some rude SoB if coughing and sneezing near me, I’d put one on if I carried one (I don’t) and ask him/her to. But, it hasn’t happened yet.
Some of you remind me of the Buddhist saying about the finger pointing to the moon is not what you are supposed to focus on - you are supposed to focus on the moon. You don’t get the point. To me, this vaccine or mask mandate isn’t about a virus, but about control. Throughout human history, one group or another sought to control the population. I left home at age 16 because I didn’t want my family to control me or the school or church. There are psychological tests that rate what you most value. Time and again for me it is freedom. i never married or had kids because I value freedom more. I equate freedom with dignity. You have a right to your own values, but have no right to choose mine for me or impose your values onto others. I am a vegan, atheist, healthnut and a minimalist - should I impose my values on you? Is that considerate?
If anything these people have proven they cannot make their own decisions. They are literally advocating against public health measures that have been shown effective.
Anyone who wont wear a mask is just an asshole, plain and simple. Deal with it and get over your hurt feelings. Also, i’m sure you’re one of the many people here concerned about government surveillance and whatever, so why not wear a mask just to keep your ugly mug off of cameras? That alone should be a good enough reason for you.
This has nothing to do with values, it’s a public health issue and people like you cant see beyond your own smug sense of self government to save yourself.
You cherry pick your doctors and scientists and I have a slew i can quote from. This is a waste of our time, and that is exactly why each person should have the responsiblitiy and the right to live how they want and to live with the results of their choices. Promiscuous sex spreads diseases - even to women who’ve only been with one man all of their life. Should we outlaw sex outside of marriage? We could go on and on about how we each affect each other.
Don’t I have the right to live without you getting me infected even if you could have taken measures against it? Your freedom argument is a dead end. This goes beyond personal freedom and you need to accept that.
it is a dead end, because only symptoms can infect others. If my immune system handles it, there are no symptoms. this is not the black plague or rabies. 99% live and over 80% never get sick/symptoms. I won’t accept lies and poor logic. if your mask works so well, you have no need for me to wear one - especially since I stand farther away and have no symptoms. If you think I am a leper, stay home. A drunk behind the wheel of a car is more dangerous, yet bars have parking lots full of cars and you have to drive to the store to buy booze, maybe it should only be delivered? you are a coward about the wrong thing, mister. You are scared because soeone else TOLD you to be scared. That is pathetic.
This is a weird argument since it has been proven that if both people wear a mask, the possibility of transmission is reduced even further than if only one person wears a mask. You have more mucous membranes than your nose and mouth, so you’d have to wear a full face mask with an ABEK filter or something like that so you’re 100% safe. Source control (the potentially infectious person wearing a mask) is more effective than (just) target control.
You don’t need to have any symptoms to be an infectious carrier of COVID-19.
I won’t accept lies and poor logic either. I just accept facts. You argue with feelings.
Your freedom ends where my freedom begins. Why should I stay home when you can wear a mask in public? It’s not that hard. People who don’t wear masks without a proper reason are just weak and pathetic.
If you always drink the booze at the store, you are the problem. Most people can control themselves until they know they don’t have to drive anymore. Apart from the bad analogy which has nothing to do with wearing a mask.
1000 peer reviewed studies questioning covid 19 vaccine safety
https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/1000-peer-reviewed-studies-questioning-covid-19-vaccine-safety
So you see it’s not so cut and dry. The risk reward of vaccines are not there. It’s safer to not get one for most people
I hope another virus comes through the planet and wipes out the whiners and weaklings. Your lack of logic is so much like a fundamentalist religious zealot: “Because the Bible says so, you heathen”.
|Your freedom ends where my freedom begins. Thee must be 500 ways - including via taxes- that you infringe on my freedom day in and day out. Go back to your twinkies, lard add.
Classy.
I put it to you that you are getting worked up and should give this thread a rest for a few days.
Thank you for being the only logical person on this post.
Veganism is not a lifestyle nor a personal choice. It is an ethical principle which consists in the respect of the rights of individuals of other species.
Killing someone is not that kind of decision you think it is. In the end, you put your rights over other ones. It is something you even explain here you don’t want.