I mean, it’s not like he was a lot funnier in the past. I think his performance is pretty much the same. How people perceive comedy is subjective of course, but I don’t think I never really laughed at his stuff. Smiled perhaps.
His delivery is some sort of interesting though and he’s fun to listen to.
I love how you admit to not having a fucking clue what everyone is talking about, but still assert, full of confidence, that you’re right anyway. 🤡🤦♀️
Not that it matters, because you clearly don’t care about reality, but
A. “just a joke” isn’t and never has been a defence, it’s just openly “disguised” bigotry, but more importantly
B. Chappelle himself openly admits to not only deliberately antagonizing trans people which he continues to do, but that next he plans to deliberately target disabled people because we’re less “organised” and therefore, he thinks, less likely to push back against his bigotry.
There is only one reason left for anyone to defend this asshole, he made damn sure of it, and he was right too - bigots defend bigots. ¯\(ツ)/¯
I’m not a fan, he’s boring lazy and has a victim complex. The joke about targeting disabled people instead is not the hill to die on, it’s the closest he comes to jokes now
Lmmfao, in other words, you admit you’re a bigot and are going to die on this hill defending the… what, reputation? of a more famous bigot, who has openly admitted to targeting marginalised people and “loving to punch down” (aka being a bigot), because you just can’t fucking help your bigoted self because you just love bigotry that fucking much.
I only see one clown here lmao. DesertClowns🤡
Keep em coming. Your cluelessness is comedy gold! You’re right, you are the direct target of his jokes, but get this: it’s got nothing to do with disability or gender… It’s your ignorance he’s poking fun at.
It’s not true, though, you understand? It’s just a punch line. He doesn’t really think being trans is the same as pretending to be Asian.
“Joke’s on you, I was only pretending to be a bigot” while being surrounded by and supported by bigots isn’t a great argument that you are in fact not a bigot. 🤷♂️
It’s extremely foolish to support Chappelle even using HIS OWN logic. Remember why his show suddenly ended? He realized a ton of people weren’t seeing the irony and were just laughing straight up at the silly bigotry in his skits unironically. It wasn’t making people aware of black issues and it wasn’t helping white people not be bigots.
Then he runs off to Africa to find himself and comes back and … decides to DELIBERATELY TARGET another minority group?! Wasn’t that kind of ignorant heel-digging the exact thing he was making ironic skits about black culture to push against?!
Either way, Dave is either now KNOWINGLY targeting a minority group, or he’s an ignorant boomer too fucking stupid to see he’s doing to trans people exactly what he didn’t want to do to black people.
Either he’s a bigot or a moron. Either way, he doesn’t deserve respect.
“If I get arrested, I’ll say I’m a woman and rape everyone.” is hilarious and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What was your favourite trans joke from this set? Maybe the super-relevant one about the 2 year old music video? The plainly stated Daily Wire talking points maybe?
I’m actually really curious about this; I see people using this same line all the time: “You do understand what jokes are, right?” or something very similar.
Do you legitimately believe that the people upset with Dave Chappelle really don’t understand what jokes are? 'Cause, like, that’s really not the case. If you legitimately believe that, then I think it’s probably time for you to re-evaluate how you view reality, 'cause you’ve got some big discrepancies between it and your belief about what reality is.
I think they don’t like him to begin with and they hear the punchlines, and they literally don’t accept or realize that he’s being facetious. Every great comic alive respects Dave Chappelle as one of the best ever.
I loved him growing up. Now I see him for the moron/bigot he is. He isn’t a comedy genius. He’s just good at making fun of minorities. He thought he was hot stuff until he realized it was just giving white people an excuse to say more racist shit instead of opening their eyes to the stupidity of bigotry.
He literally quit his show because he didn’t want to do that to black people… but he’s fine doing that to trans people!? He’s either a bigot or a fucking idiot completely unable to see the problem even after he quit his show over it.
So you believe that the people who don’t like what Chappelle has become in the last few years understand what jokes are, but don’t think that Chappelle is joking?
I think that speaks much more to how you define a joke. From what you said, it seems to me that you believe that a joke is completely devoid of meaning and context; that the selection of material and the way it’s told has no bearing on the beliefs of the person telling it. I think you’ll find that most people don’t share this definition.
Jokes, like every other form of communication, are a type of rhetoric. You can tell a lot about a person from the things they find funny. Dave, for instance, seems to find the idea that Trans people are crazy or lying about being trans to be hilarious (judging from his last couple of specials). Most of the people here don’t share that belief.
The word ‘apologist’ comes from the same Greek root as ‘apology’, apologein, meaning ‘to defend’. Apology is now a synonym for saying sorry, but an apologist is a defender of a cause. Apologists typically don’t apologise for being apologists, if you catch my drift!
You’re annoying and whiney. You don’t know shit about me, stfu. And shit shitty community is a weird echo chamber apparently obsessed with Dave Chappelle.
ROFL! Awww… getting your ass handed to you by everyone getting you down a little? Maybe you should take a break from all this and go be wrong somewhere else.
I hear Reddit loves people like you. Maybe check there.
Remember his joke about the LGBT car ride? You know the one where the punchline is that no one likes trans people? That one? The transphobic joke?
Right now, you’re on the side of bigotry. It’s ok though. You can realize that people of all stripes are valid. It’s ok to change your mind. We all welcome people that aren’t bigots, but especially those that change because changing is hard.
edit2 watched it now, and can reiterate that Chappelle jokes are mediocre. Even the ad-lib he did when somebody’s phone rang was just … lousy. And that joke was all over the place, to me it obviously wasn’t just “the transphobic joke”.
Right now, you’re on the side of bigotry. It’s ok though. You can realize that people of all stripes are valid. It’s ok to change your mind. We all welcome people that aren’t bigots, but especially those that change because changing is hard.
Well, frankly I started from something you might call a trans ally. That’s my default, I guess. I’ve changed towards being more skeptical. And let me tell you, being condescending towards people is not a way to get more allies. It doesn’t work for smart people, average people, nor does it work for dumb people. Whichever you think I am.
Describe a punchline then that’s funny of his now?
(I haven’t watched him since he occasionally got a laugh out of me when I would skip through the Chapelle show. But usually even back then, he was only funny because it was playing off racist tropes and the uncomfortability added to the humor. He threaded the needle a bit back then, but even he admitted his comedy did more harm than good. Right now he’s doing way more harm to my people, just to grab cash because apparently his Chapelle show money wasn’t enough)
Suck all the innuendo and tone out of a joke and try to tell you it in lemmee? No thank you. You can watch his comedy or not (I don’t care) and you may or may not find it funny and either one is okay. If you don’t, don’t call him a bigot though if you literally don’t understand that he is usually not seriously taking the position that the punchline of the joke suggests. Of course a lot of the punchlines are absurd. He knows they’re absurd. That’s the joke.
Comedy isn’t objective but to the extent it is, Chappelle is one of the most successful comics ever and is widely beloved by comedy fans and especially other comics, many of whom consider him to be the best alive, virtually all of whom consider him to be a top ten comedian of all time.
So basically you don’t have a joke of his that you can link to that’s funny. Not even a time stamp of the steaming pile of horse shit you keep telling people to watch. 😂
No one buys this excuse outside of those who agree with the message of the jokes. Just because it’s told in joke form, doesn’t mean it’s not saying anything. If anything the best types of comedy are the ones where they are saying things. Like I remember a comedian talking about going to do a show, and it wasn’t until right after his set it was a show run by the KKK. If they have a comedy night and make jokes about black people, is that just joking? I mean, you can’t claim it’s racists just because it’s coming from a racist, because it’s a joke. You’re not meant to take it seriously.
My favourite joke was when he said that if he went to prison he’d say he was a woman and rape everyone - that was hilarious, and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What way your favourite joke about those icky transes?
As someone who watched the first 5 netflix special he did, they get progressively less funny and he leans way more into culture war bs. If it was a comedian telling Trump jokes for an hour I’d turn it off too.
Especially if it’s the same Trump jokes we had heard other people tell a thousand times. The attack helicopter joke is like 15 years old now and every trans joke is basically a variation of it.
This is too good: I couldn’t tell if it was satire until I looked at the comments.
Dave Chappelle isn’t funny anymore
Lost it lol
I mean, it’s not like he was a lot funnier in the past. I think his performance is pretty much the same. How people perceive comedy is subjective of course, but I don’t think I never really laughed at his stuff. Smiled perhaps.
His delivery is some sort of interesting though and he’s fun to listen to.
I disagree with this point, I thought he was fucking hilarious before. but he is so goddamn preachy now even not counting the trans stuff.
Yeah, that’s true for sure. And it is tiring.
I disagree. His old material was hilarious. And still is, IMO.
So you agree that how people perceive comedy is subjective, I guess. Could it be that he ridiculed people you don’t care about before?
I don’t care about trans people though.
As humans, yes, sure. But their group identity carries no special valence for me.
So I think you raise a reasonable point, but I don’t think it’s an influence here.
No not when you take his jokes out of context and eliminate the tone and any familiarity with his style of delivery.
His tone and delivery doesn’t make his whining about being ‘canceled’ or his bigoted jokes from the last five or so years better.
I haven’t heard either of those things.
Usually the punchlines of his jokes aren’t true statements, you understand that right, he’s joking? People are laughing?
I love how you admit to not having a fucking clue what everyone is talking about, but still assert, full of confidence, that you’re right anyway. 🤡🤦♀️
Not that it matters, because you clearly don’t care about reality, but
A. “just a joke” isn’t and never has been a defence, it’s just openly “disguised” bigotry, but more importantly
B. Chappelle himself openly admits to not only deliberately antagonizing trans people which he continues to do, but that next he plans to deliberately target disabled people because we’re less “organised” and therefore, he thinks, less likely to push back against his bigotry.
There is only one reason left for anyone to defend this asshole, he made damn sure of it, and he was right too - bigots defend bigots. ¯\(ツ)/¯
I’m not a fan, he’s boring lazy and has a victim complex. The joke about targeting disabled people instead is not the hill to die on, it’s the closest he comes to jokes now
You are clearly incapable of understanding anything beyond the literal. Be afraid. Chappelle is coming for you personally.
Ok Gramma, back to the home for your meds.
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Lmmfao, in other words, you admit you’re a bigot and are going to die on this hill defending the… what, reputation? of a more famous bigot, who has openly admitted to targeting marginalised people and “loving to punch down” (aka being a bigot), because you just can’t fucking help your bigoted self because you just love bigotry that fucking much.
Fucking clown.
I only see one clown here lmao. DesertClowns🤡 Keep em coming. Your cluelessness is comedy gold! You’re right, you are the direct target of his jokes, but get this: it’s got nothing to do with disability or gender… It’s your ignorance he’s poking fun at.
“Joke’s on you, I was only pretending to be a bigot” while being surrounded by and supported by bigots isn’t a great argument that you are in fact not a bigot. 🤷♂️
It is if you’re another bigot who genuinely thinks bigotry is funny…
People just love telling on themselves… 🤷♀️
“He openly admits the punchlines of a joke? No way.”
Nice of you to admit that you think being trans is the punchline of a joke.
So every Chappelle fan is a bigot?
Occam’s Razor, you didn’t get the joke.
It’s extremely foolish to support Chappelle even using HIS OWN logic. Remember why his show suddenly ended? He realized a ton of people weren’t seeing the irony and were just laughing straight up at the silly bigotry in his skits unironically. It wasn’t making people aware of black issues and it wasn’t helping white people not be bigots.
Then he runs off to Africa to find himself and comes back and … decides to DELIBERATELY TARGET another minority group?! Wasn’t that kind of ignorant heel-digging the exact thing he was making ironic skits about black culture to push against?!
Either way, Dave is either now KNOWINGLY targeting a minority group, or he’s an ignorant boomer too fucking stupid to see he’s doing to trans people exactly what he didn’t want to do to black people.
Either he’s a bigot or a moron. Either way, he doesn’t deserve respect.
yea but that was bigotry aimed at black people, this is bigotry aimed at trans
Doesn’t that make it worse? He was upset enough about it happening to black people that he left the show that bore his name.
Then he… chooses to put that ill on someone else?! Knowingly? That’s straight up evil.
No but they’re all OK with bigotry.
Yes.
And you don’t get to make the call of wether or not people get the jokes.
“If I get arrested, I’ll say I’m a woman and rape everyone.” is hilarious and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What was your favourite trans joke from this set? Maybe the super-relevant one about the 2 year old music video? The plainly stated Daily Wire talking points maybe?
Watch the Closer for both, with the bigotry being him telling jokes at trans people with the excuse that he has one trans friend.
You know, like the old ‘I have one black friend’ excuse that he used to make fun of back when he was funny.
I’m actually really curious about this; I see people using this same line all the time: “You do understand what jokes are, right?” or something very similar.
Do you legitimately believe that the people upset with Dave Chappelle really don’t understand what jokes are? 'Cause, like, that’s really not the case. If you legitimately believe that, then I think it’s probably time for you to re-evaluate how you view reality, 'cause you’ve got some big discrepancies between it and your belief about what reality is.
I think they don’t like him to begin with and they hear the punchlines, and they literally don’t accept or realize that he’s being facetious. Every great comic alive respects Dave Chappelle as one of the best ever.
I used to love Dave Chappelle. He gave a huge fuck you to the establishment back in the day, and deserved credit for that. He was punching up.
But he decided it bothered him that trans issues got the spotlight, and that he wanted to punch down. Ok: fair play. Yell some jokes.
But then the jokes suck. They’re not insightful. They’re not full of commentary. They don’t highlight dissonance on people’s words or actions.
And if you’re punching down and aren’t funny, you’re not a comedian… you’re just an asshole
Most of us grew up with him and were excited for him to come back. I watched his first special on Netflix the very first night it came out.
I loved him growing up. Now I see him for the moron/bigot he is. He isn’t a comedy genius. He’s just good at making fun of minorities. He thought he was hot stuff until he realized it was just giving white people an excuse to say more racist shit instead of opening their eyes to the stupidity of bigotry.
He literally quit his show because he didn’t want to do that to black people… but he’s fine doing that to trans people!? He’s either a bigot or a fucking idiot completely unable to see the problem even after he quit his show over it.
I think you’ll find that most of the people watching his comedy are former fans.
So you believe that the people who don’t like what Chappelle has become in the last few years understand what jokes are, but don’t think that Chappelle is joking?
I think that speaks much more to how you define a joke. From what you said, it seems to me that you believe that a joke is completely devoid of meaning and context; that the selection of material and the way it’s told has no bearing on the beliefs of the person telling it. I think you’ll find that most people don’t share this definition.
Jokes, like every other form of communication, are a type of rhetoric. You can tell a lot about a person from the things they find funny. Dave, for instance, seems to find the idea that Trans people are crazy or lying about being trans to be hilarious (judging from his last couple of specials). Most of the people here don’t share that belief.
Why is it that you apologists never actually apologize, but excuse away bad behavior.
You should be called excusists.
The word ‘apologist’ comes from the same Greek root as ‘apology’, apologein, meaning ‘to defend’. Apology is now a synonym for saying sorry, but an apologist is a defender of a cause. Apologists typically don’t apologise for being apologists, if you catch my drift!
You’re annoying and whiney. You don’t know shit about me, stfu. And shit shitty community is a weird echo chamber apparently obsessed with Dave Chappelle.
Dave will never play catch with you or tell you he’s proud of you, find another father figure.
ROFL! Awww… getting your ass handed to you by everyone getting you down a little? Maybe you should take a break from all this and go be wrong somewhere else.
I hear Reddit loves people like you. Maybe check there.
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It’s ok to joke about trans people. The problem with Chappelle is trans people are the butt of his jokes.
It’s a rule of life. If you’re punching down, you’re going in the wrong direction.
Also, he’s doing this in a climate where people are trying to eliminate trans people. Read the fucking room Dave
No, the people who clutch their pearls for trans people are the butt of his jokes.
Remember his joke about the LGBT car ride? You know the one where the punchline is that no one likes trans people? That one? The transphobic joke?
Right now, you’re on the side of bigotry. It’s ok though. You can realize that people of all stripes are valid. It’s ok to change your mind. We all welcome people that aren’t bigots, but especially those that change because changing is hard.
Probably not, since it sounds like a rather mediocre joke. Like Chappelle jokes usually are. Let’s see if I can find it.
edit here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIQ6guDPed8
edit2 watched it now, and can reiterate that Chappelle jokes are mediocre. Even the ad-lib he did when somebody’s phone rang was just … lousy. And that joke was all over the place, to me it obviously wasn’t just “the transphobic joke”.
Well, frankly I started from something you might call a trans ally. That’s my default, I guess. I’ve changed towards being more skeptical. And let me tell you, being condescending towards people is not a way to get more allies. It doesn’t work for smart people, average people, nor does it work for dumb people. Whichever you think I am.
So I give an example of a transphobic joke and your response is it wasn’t funny?
You’ve got to be trolling
The room is a comedy club and everyone is laughing.
“If someone laughs then it’s morally unimpeachable” is a sentence you can just say.
“Well, as long as people are laughing, it’s okay!” - a bigot, in defense of bigotry.
You’re misrepresenting my comments.
And you’re misrepresenting a bigot.
Describe a punchline then that’s funny of his now?
(I haven’t watched him since he occasionally got a laugh out of me when I would skip through the Chapelle show. But usually even back then, he was only funny because it was playing off racist tropes and the uncomfortability added to the humor. He threaded the needle a bit back then, but even he admitted his comedy did more harm than good. Right now he’s doing way more harm to my people, just to grab cash because apparently his Chapelle show money wasn’t enough)
Suck all the innuendo and tone out of a joke and try to tell you it in lemmee? No thank you. You can watch his comedy or not (I don’t care) and you may or may not find it funny and either one is okay. If you don’t, don’t call him a bigot though if you literally don’t understand that he is usually not seriously taking the position that the punchline of the joke suggests. Of course a lot of the punchlines are absurd. He knows they’re absurd. That’s the joke.
Comedy isn’t objective but to the extent it is, Chappelle is one of the most successful comics ever and is widely beloved by comedy fans and especially other comics, many of whom consider him to be the best alive, virtually all of whom consider him to be a top ten comedian of all time.
Seven comments deep and arguing with everyone for over an hour… Uh huh.
So basically you don’t have a joke of his that you can link to that’s funny. Not even a time stamp of the steaming pile of horse shit you keep telling people to watch. 😂
My bud, you don’t have to find him funny.
I’m willing to be convinced you just don’t have it. And I’m not your bud.
No one buys this excuse outside of those who agree with the message of the jokes. Just because it’s told in joke form, doesn’t mean it’s not saying anything. If anything the best types of comedy are the ones where they are saying things. Like I remember a comedian talking about going to do a show, and it wasn’t until right after his set it was a show run by the KKK. If they have a comedy night and make jokes about black people, is that just joking? I mean, you can’t claim it’s racists just because it’s coming from a racist, because it’s a joke. You’re not meant to take it seriously.
You feel the same way about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, right?
My favourite joke was when he said that if he went to prison he’d say he was a woman and rape everyone - that was hilarious, and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What way your favourite joke about those icky transes?
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As someone who watched the first 5 netflix special he did, they get progressively less funny and he leans way more into culture war bs. If it was a comedian telling Trump jokes for an hour I’d turn it off too.
Especially if it’s the same Trump jokes we had heard other people tell a thousand times. The attack helicopter joke is like 15 years old now and every trans joke is basically a variation of it.
No one had a problem with his “tone and style of delivery” when he was actually relevant.