These boomers have lost their fucking marbles.
You have to have marbles first to lose them
I think most of the government isn’t boomers.
I was born during the baby boom era. I’ve concluded that “boomer” has long since lost its literal connection to “my” generation. It is now used as a metaphorical disparaging label that means “selfish and clueless because of age.”
It’s kind of like the trope of technologically clueless grandparents. At this point, the only grandparents who are technologically clueless are those with the same mindsets and experiences as all the GenX and Millenial people who are technologically clueless. And there is certainly no shortage of them.
And there is certainly no shortage of them.
The problem is that they are the majority in every generation. The majority of people don’t understand the distinction between http and https, that PMs on Facebook are readable by Facebook staff, or that there in an entire sector dedicated to collecting and selling personally identifiable information.
It’s hard to drum up support for a cause that most people can’t even understand.
Yes, good points.
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If it’s legal for women to be topless in public, why would pictures of topless females be in this law?
Our government really is dumb. Plus, it’s only going to expose the kids to sketchier and possibly illegal stuff. If big porn players step up and do verifications, there would surely be dozens of sketchy sites popping up left and right to fill the void of providing porn.
If it’s legal for women to be topless in public, why would pictures of topless females be in this law?
FWIW, I think the original Ontario law stated topless women can’t behave in a sexual manner. I don’t know if that has changed or been enforced.
law stated topless women can’t behave in a sexual manner
That law seems rather… open to interpretation.
To be fair, the bill doesn’t really say it’s only for images of a sexual manner.
Ok I don’t understand this push to block porn at a country wide level.
Who wants this and why?
I honestly don’t see why. Most to the time they tell you follow the money but I can’t think how blocking porn helps anyone but VPN providers, and old school porno mag and video publishers.
Maybe this is a fundamentalist puritanical thing? But how is it getting such wide support? Are there that many but hurt virgins in the Senate and House of Commons?
Argh so many questions and this feels so absurd.
I think they want the precident of being able to require id verification to access websites. It’s a great spying tool for the government, if they can legitimise it’s use. First they go for the porn sites to ‘protect children’. Then they’ve got a foot in the door with the infrastructure in place to expand it to other ‘objectionable’ sites, and perhaps even further.
Maybe I’m just being paranoid and it’s just puritanical BS pushed by out of touch politicians who are trying to appeal to the moral busybodies in society.
No it’s not paranoia if they are actually out to get you.
If they are out to get us it’s just baffling to me. The internet was originally designed as a communications tool to survive large parts being damaged in the event of a major disaster/attack.
It got hijacked by people first who used it to share less and scientific information and more for the lack of a better word human information. Then corporations came and wanted to extract value from it some how. So we had the Dotcom bubbles and pop-up ads.
Now I don’t have the hindsight now to succinctly explain what happened next but then Facebook became a dominant social media platform. And everyone gave them info about themselves contrary to the previous advice about never using your real name on the internet.
Now we have governments world wide actively trying to police porn a good 50 years after it existed on the internet. 20 years since it was freely and widely available as streaming video? What’s the goal trying to tax free porn somehow?
I think the genie is out of the bottle at this point.
What’s the goal trying to tax free porn somehow?
Almost like taxing someone else for linking to your website…
Bingo
The conservatives along with the NDP and Bloc are apparently the ones who want this.
I think its a step towards decentralizing the internet and requiring government backed profiles to access it by having all your online access linked to a profile that is linked to your real world information.
It’s wild because back in the day they told us don’t let anyone know your real name or where you live if you can help it. Now it’s let’s see your driver’s license to verify you before you can look at cat videos…
But how much of this is actually new trying to build a world order and how much is just ignorance in the capabilities of the technology of the members of the Senate and House of Commons
If someone is incapable of understanding or respecting the capabilities and implementation of a technology, they are unfit to govern it.
That’s why they have lobbyists…
In theory there are also panels and advisory boards for technical things. Of course, the same monied interests who pay the lobbyists also try and get people into those roles. Heck, I would wager a good chunk of the lobbying is in the form of a non-governmental policy advisory group.
Elected representatives don’t need to be experts in everything, but they should be able to get technical advice. Unfortunately this is where much of the lobbying comes in.
Anyone who can’t install nvidia drivers on Debian is unfit to govern the internet.
decentralizing the internet and requiring government backed profiles
Requiring a centralized auth is not decentralization.
You are right, I meant centralizing.
First, this is so obviously going to be used against the LGTBQ community. Second it’s dangerous as fuck.
Third, if they actually cared about this they need to actually think about this rights restricting law. You could use browser attestation or APIs and not violate anyone’s rights, but our MPs don’t know shit about technology.
I’m not in favour of this option either, but it’s better giving the government a list of everyone who wants to access Grindr or buy a trans rights book, or read a forum about guns, or whatever other hot button issues the government decides is controversial.
Creating such a list is the most dangerous thing a government could possibly do.
Already implemented in my home state here in the US. I’m glad I am more tech literate and constantly run a VPN (as well as other privacy software) but most people don’t. These laws are so horribly invasive and open dangerous doors.
Just curious: what software besides a VPN?
Little snitch + Firefox + uBlock origin + proton VPN
Tails on a usb key for OS, Tor browser for everything, all under protection of VPN and spoof the device MAC address between sessions.
You’re dreaming if you think there’s a technological way to enforce access restrictions. You can’t do it with “browser attestation” or “APIs”.
If they require a valid govt ID on the server side then your options are your ID or the ID of someone else.
On what server side? If 1 in 100 sites asks for your ID, then you simply use the other 99 that don’t. There are so many clones of different porn sites that don’t give a single fuck about regulations, why would they care about that law.
If lawmakers won’t piss off and iPad parents keep demanding we protect their children from their own responsibility as parents, then we’ll get shitty laws about this.
Looking forward to learning what porn my MPs are watching.
No no no, only the peasants have their information exposed. Can’t have the wealthy at risk, see?
Reminds me of the (sadly defunct) twitter account which tweeted anonymous Wikipedia edits that were made from Canadian Government IP addresses. Someone should create a Mastodon bot as a spiritual successor.
Looks like the facility to do that is in the git. https://github.com/edsu/anon As well as the GC IP list https://github.com/ruebot/gccaedits-ip-address-ranges
This comment makes me want this law so bad
Better headline: “Tech-illiterate wanks suggest having to verify your identity prior to letting you wank”
Anyone supporting this should be volunteering for test trials.
At this point, “let kids watch porn” is almost worth the hassle as a contrarian rebuke. The US has conservatives flipping out over the barest hint of sexual information reaching… teenagers. Everywhere has conservatives mumbling their way toward spying on adults to stop the apparently unprecedented possibility of children seeing boobs.
A contra-positive “what are you fucking worried about?!” is so much easier to rally than some wishy-washy “yes, but–” nitpicking. Like it’s on us to address these people’s insane goals. The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer. They’re just picking something vaguely gross to minimize dissent - and to easily slander anyone who speaks up.
So fuck it. I’m not terribly bothered if kids see gross shit on the internet. It doesn’t need to be illegal, for sites to keep undesirable content hidden by default or excluded entirely. The US has no laws against being an outright Nazi, but on any site not run by and for Nazis, that shit is not welcome. If logged-out Twitter users are one click from seeing what furry smut peddlers post, apparently that’s not the end of the world. Pretty far from the worst thing Twitter’s ever done.
I’m short on reasons not to tell people - big whoop, and mind your damn kids.
There are far more pressing things to worry about anyways. The moral panic over porn and LGBT+ people is so 20th century.
Go to a nude beach. Realize everyone kinda looks similar. Realize it’s not a big deal. Go back to reading your book or talking with friends on the beach. The north American continent is so unhealthy with nudity and sex.
It’s not even contrarian for me, I think children viewing porn fundamentally improves society provided they receive appropriate context through discussions with trusted adults (like parents). And those discussions only happens when people become more comfortable talking about these things, which restrictions do not help at all.
I also completely support children seeing video footage of executions, dead bodies and the severely malnourished with a trusted adult (like a teacher) to provide context. This improves society, and is how I learned about various things, like the horrors of the Holocaust, accurately.
Well… If u’r talking abt it from the perspective of sex ed, porn isn’t quite it. If porn is treated as sex ed, then that can be massively dangerous- porn without consensual sex, extreme body dimensions, which includes large dicks, big breasts n so on. Normal ppl sex doesn’t work like that.
For education abt something like the Holocaust n so on, dead bodies, mutilations, etc. can have a traumatic effect on kids. Sure, while they need to be taught abt this, they should definitely not be shown these graphics till their teens at least.
I’m not treating it as sex Ed at all. It’s entertainment, like an action movie or something. Not at all realistic. Which is why it’s so important that trusted adults explain this to them.
And yes, I want them to be a bit traumatized by the Holocaust. I agree in teens is where it is appropriate, but it is still traumatizing. That’s the point.
Everyone wanting to look at porn needs to send a letter to their MP first, requesting permission.
It would be funny if people just sent a letter to their mp every time they accessed those sites something like:
Dear honorable insert MP name
In advance of bill S-210 I am writing to inform you of my internet usage habits what follows is a list of hyperlinks to videos I have accessed today:
- …
I hope this information helps you in determining my sexual interests to aid in your reelection campaign.
Sincerely xyz ABC of qwerty riding
And in the smallest print capable of your printer ( if you would like to unsubscribe from this mailing list please consider your vote on this matter)
honestly its not as bad as the masterbation list.
The what?
Oh I hope your compliant. You know you can go blind if your not properly registered.
We’re lucky the biggest porn monopoly in the world is based in Canada (much as I loathe monopolies and think the government should break them up)
I’m fairly sure MindGeek will lobby for this not to pass. Corrupt cronyism will get us a win for once.
A broken clock is right twice a day
Porn monopoly?
Someone tell Hasbro about their next hit board game.
Anyone who wants to monitor how everyone else jerks off should automatically be required to have their Internet activity monitored, because they sound like perverts.
Anything a politician does in relation to their position should be recorded on a bodycam, same as police. You work for the public, being paid with public funds, your actions and decisions should be 100% auditable.
It’s like they are trying their hardest to have no chance of winning the next election.
How? This is universal
I was being mostly sarcastic. I realize its a non-partisan bill. But still, I don’t see how this is popular.
VPN and torrents will get you anything you want.
Websites not in the system will get you anything you want
Think of the children. That poor Thirteen yo boy who doesn’t have the luxury of Sears catalogs on the coffee table. Or hustler magazines on display in every corner store. He just wants the see a pair of boobies /s
Bro if you want some links, just ask.
