So uh… Israel… I’m pretty sure “never forget” doesn’t mean “we should practice it so we don’t forget how to conduct an efficient genocide”
Nonono… It’s “never forget what happened to the Jews”.
…and use that as a strategy guide to oppress others?
Literally selective sympathies huh. I just don’t get why they can’t make things better with people instead of burning literal food to try win.
And the USA funds the genocide
And acts as the good guys to boot.
I wonder, is there any nation or entity the US doesn’t fund?
Can’t get played when you play all sides.
I always love how two nations genocide each other and every English speaking forum ends up with ‘How dare the USA’ lol.
It’s like people who can do nothing but blame the parents on their child going onto murder everyone when sometimes your child is just shit lol. You absolve so much of their personal responsibility by blaming the son for fathers behavior.
People really just don’t like the fact that people can and will do evil shit without much justification simply by the way their genetics and culture work.
Did you just say people do evil things because of their genetics?
holy fucking genetic supremecy, batman.
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Did you just say people do evil things because of their genetics?
holy fucking genetic supremecy, batman.
What kind of simple minded asinine take are you appeal to extreme’ing about?
Helicopter or hands-off parenting? The choice won’t impact a kid as much as you think
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1193176710
Nature versus nurture is a long-standing debate in biology and society about the relative influence on human beings of their genetic inheritance (nature) and the environmental conditions of their development (nurture). The alliterative expression “nature and nurture” in English has been in use since at least the Elizabethan period[1] and goes back to medieval French.[2] The complementary combination of the two concepts is an ancient concept (Ancient Greek: ἁπό φύσεως καὶ εὐτροφίας).[3] Nature is what people think of as pre-wiring and is influenced by genetic inheritance and other biological factors. Nurture is generally taken as the influence of external factors after conception e.g. the product of exposure, experience and learning on an individual.
You weren’t describing nature vs nurture. You were implying eugenics with your last statement.
Blankets there seems to have a knack for saying asinine things, then acting outraged and claiming the other person is an idiot when they call them out for saying them. I wouldn’t engage; I’d block them but they’re always good for a laugh.
Do you genuinely believe there are people out there who aren’t born predisposed to violence? This is a well known fact and a reason we have prisons for people who are not able to be rehabilitated. There aren’t nearly as many monsters out there as people think, but they’re there.
People like serial killers are well known for having relatively normal upbringings but go on to become murderers/rapists. Some even come from loving, caring, and enthusiastic homes.
People can hand-wave genetic predisposition all they want, it doesn’t make genetic heritability for a multitude of of disorders untrue. Nor does it change how you rolled poorly in the genetic lottery and now you’re stuck with a male brain inside a female body.
No amount of therapy is going to keep some poor pedophile’s brain wired to find children attractive from finding that they’re attractive. They get to live their entire cursed existence hating themselves even if they never hurt a single kid.
People give biology way too little credit for the monsters that society has to deal with. And as shown above, a lot of it isn’t due to culture, how you were raised, or if you were loved. It’s because you hit the genetic snake eyes and you don’t have the little thing in the back of your brain that finds rape and murder repulsive.
Genetics doesn’t absolve them of their guilt, but it’s one piece of a puzzle that too few people give credit for. For the same reason why one kid can do coke once and never try it again, and another ends up having their life spiral out of control for a decade due to addiction.
Aight, supremacist.
I like how you don’t mention what kind of supremacist lol. Human supremacy ftw!
That’s one way to take it, sure. But we all have the ability to other (to distance other people in our minds from what it means to be a “person”), and from there we can do violence to those we’ve othered. It’s a fairly universal human trait. Culture plays into who you might other as well.
Wouldn’t genocide be an effort to kill all Palestinans everywhere, like the millions in other Arab states?
You know, instead of focusing on the elected government of Gaza (who still has 57%+ support amongst Gazan civilians), who targeted 1200+ civilians intentionally in one of the worst terroist attacks of recent memory?
Definition Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
in whole or in part. Not that you care, just for anybody wondering what the Geneva convention says. Though people should not base their morality on law, even UN law.
Which is why Hamas who is intentionally co-locating (and the target of the attacks) in what would otherwise be protected targets is a war crime.
If Hamas was not using civilian shields and being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them, then absolutely it would be a war crime.
It’s just that unlike many armchair legal scholars here, I’m aware that the intended terrorist targets make this a nonsense legal argument. Again, without Hamas there you’d be correct.
The convention isn’t written in a vacuum. And misusing and diminishing the term genocide a bad idea.
The genocide of Palestinians by Israel has been going on way longer than Hamas has existed.
I am no armchair legal scholar, I 've already argued against placing too much value on legality. It is you on the other hand who tries to minimize the severity of Israel’s wrongdoings by arguing pseudo-legalistic semantics.
If the 1948 convention never existed, Israel’s actions would be just as reprehensible.
being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them
“It’s not genocide, but if it is they deserve it”
Fucking disgusting Nazi logic.
In case anyone is on the fence about this issue and doesn’t realize this is easily disproven misinformation, there hasn’t been an election for the president or legislature in Palestine since 2006.. Hamas has maintained a stranglehold on the region for seventeen years by discontinuing elections.
Even if that was true, this is a bad faith argument anyhow: it’s entirely possible to focus on the atrocities being committed by both sides. Rivermonster simply seems to enjoy regurgitating Israeli propaganda.
Except that still males them the official and elected government. It’s weird that you want to ignore the facts. That you decide they’re illegitimate just bc it doesn’t fit your narrative is what’s wrong.
They still have majority support amongst residents. If there were an election today, they’d dominate. Who do you think would win? The PLA, Fatah, and West Bank can’t get rid of them fast enough. They want Hamas in there, too.
That’s true, the elected government of Gaza is a horrible fascist state and they are just as bad as the monsters who are gunning down civilians in that region. However that doesn’t mean the people of Gaza aren’t worth saving and don’t have value. I just don’t understand why, when we’re talking about a relatively small strip of land, the Palestinians can’t have their own self-governed state, free from interference by Israel. Or is that just too much to ask for in this world.
There were tunnels under that food
If so, hopefully, they’re flooded with seawater now and filled with dead Hamas.
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Fuck this shit.
Retired IDF General Israel Ziv told CNN he had seen the videos and was so disturbed by them that he reached out to IDF commanders in charge of the soldiers involved.
“I was (told) that the brigade commander will punish the ones who did that once they stop fighting,” he told CNN.
In its statement to CNN, the IDF said that “disciplinary measures will be taken regarding the soldiers involved.”
In other words, they’re only interested in punishing the ones that get caught, and they’ll only process it well after it’s happened so they can just deliver a slap on the wrist.
In other words, they’re only interested in punishing the ones that get caught, and they’ll only process it well after it’s happened so they can just deliver a slap on the wrist.
By definition, you can only punish the ones that get caught.
Actually the Israelis are very strong supporters of collective punishment, given their stance on Palestinians I would have thought they would execute the families of entire platoons.
Tragic how the abused has become the abuser.
This is not tragic. This is, has been, and will always be Israeli foreign policy. Ever since the state was created, they were supposed to be a “foothold of civilization in the region”. They have constantly settled outside of borders and into Palestinian territory, and then defended their settlements with their superior firepower. They have constantly waged this type of unorthodox war. They supported Hamas as a tactical strike against the more moderate candidates in Palestine, because you can’t paint moderates as the aggressor as easily - this worked wonders for their PR - they managed to clean their image, because they had an enemy that looked even worse.
Make no mistake friend - Israel has never been the abused, and throughout their short lifetime as a state they have only abused. They have been conducting an ethnic cleansing in the area. The only hope Palestinians have is that history books write the truth, but seeing as how Israel’s money isn’t running out and their reach is long, even this seems unlikely - just look at all the support they still have despite their foreign policy being literally genocide.
Israel has never been the abuser, and throughout their short lifetime as a state they have only abused.
I believe you need to edit that… Not in the context of you being “wrong/right” or anything opinion based like that, just that its contradictional… I don’t think it’s what you meant to actually say is all :)
I believe it’s a simple typo. Should be “never been the abused” and d and r are close to each other.
Yes, ever since being created, the Muslim world has attacked over multiple wars with multiple arab states coordinating. And fortunately they have lost over and over.
Since the creation of Israel, the Muslim Arab world has stolen the land of 800,000+ jews who lived all over the Arab states. Though you’d never know it reading comments here bc worldnews only feigns outrage at Jews, not on land theft as a principal.
Meh, never mind, I’m already tired of debunking this silly propaganda virtua-nazi rant. You know your lies.
Your calling anyone else a liar is the height of irony. Israeli genocide apologists all seem to follow the same pattern: spread misleading, often factually incorrect talking points and call anyone with a view critical of Israel a Nazi and/or an anti-semite.
People are catching on and see through your bullshit. We see that nearly every accusation is a confession, as is often the case with fascists.
You’re projecting bruh.
Lol, is that the best you’ve got? It doesn’t even make sense.
What makes you think these guys have ever been abused?
You are being downvoted by people who think Israel = Jews.
Kind of a racist thought from them.
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Why in fuck would I give a shit about being downvoted. Is that really what you people are here for, to be “upvoted” all the time?? Is that really supposed to frighten me into a retraction of my statement? If I was not being downvoted, I WOULD retract my statement - the whole point is that it’s designed to scare people and get them to downvote and show that I’ve told the truth by doing so.
Either you’re responding to the wrong comment or we all know who your alt is now.
Makes no never mind to me either way.
The most moral army of the only democracy in the Middle East! If you disagree, you’re homophobic since some of these soldiers are gay
Eh?
Right?
You could say the same about any army. There are some soldiers who are gay in all regiments around the world. But they aren’t there to be gay, they’re doing their job and in a way that’s maybe one of the better things about armies - they tend to be not so concerned about your sexual habits as much as your proficiency in combat.
I cannot help but think of nazi Germany when I read this. It’s very similar
They gotta learn that somewhere…
Has anyone else noticed how prolific rivermonster is in this thread? And how their comments are full of half-truths that always favor Israeli policy? Weird, isn’t it?
I can’t figure out if they spread propaganda and disinformation professionally or if they just have a hard on for Jewish ethnostates or Muslim genocide.
Watching their mental gymnastics as they try to justify Israeli’s actions in Palestine while decrying Hamas’s similar behavior is always good for a laugh. Plus how they accuse anyone critical of Zionism to be a Nazi or anti-semite. They’re kinda the worst type of person.
Spamming the comment section with pro israeli comments or even just muddying the waters. I’ve seen it with a few posters, including rivermonster. It distracts those reading from the real issue being discussed, usually israeli crimes against humanity.
Just block 'em and move on 🤷♂
Someone posting a lot of comments in a thread doesn’t necessarily mean much, beyond them engaging with the thread and replying to multiple comments as they scroll through. That isn’t to deny their bias, just to point out that their presence and bias doesn’t necessarily point to some kind of organised action.
Edit: ok I didn’t have to (nor think I would have to) scroll far down to see that they are clearly a troll. The whole “it’s important to counter false narratives”, while clearly delivering a biased narrative, pretty clearly shows they’re not an honest actor.
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They’re not Hamas, that’s who intentionally targets children. And then also hides behind them after terrorist attacks so as to hopefully cause more civilian deaths so people can be manipulated into outrage at the wrong people.
Israeli propaganda is obvious propaganda.
Pro Hamas / terrorist adjectent… always a bad look.
Looks like they took “never forget” a bit too far
Israel’s army is apparently much closer to Russia’s than the US’. This is disgusting and pathetic.
Israel itself is culturally very similar to Russia. Living in Russia, I’ve always been amused how their public picture is so different in everything.
USA army rape
All armies rape
And violates Geneva Conventions. No non-combatant shall be harmed.
Which is why most non-Russian armies make it criminal instead of a mission objective.
Both Russia and the elected government of Gaza (Hamas) target civilians intentionally. Hamas even targets Gaza hospitals. Probably thought false flagging Israel would be great PR, and it did work well on the worldnews crew.
I’d say Gazas elected government, and Russia are much closer.
Anyone harping on how Hamas is the “elected” government when they haven’t had elections in, what, 16 years, is just simping for Netanyahu’s genocide. I see you felt the need to say “elected” twice just to be really obvious about it.
It’s important to counter these false narratives being thrown about that they’re not the official elected government with, to this day, majority support amongst residents.
Lmfaoooo you’re a complete troll. “It’s important to counter false narratives” when every narrative you provide is clearly false.
You are qutie clearly intentionally inciting people, and it isn’t really working in your favour here.
Demographic from Wikipedia:
0–14 years: 44.1% 15–24 years: 21.3% 25–54 years: 28.5% 55–64 years: 3.5% 65 years and over: 2.6%
something like 75% of all Gazans were either not born or not of voting age when the last elections were held 16 years ago.
Goddamned time traveling Palestinians!
As though this changes the fact that they’re the officially elected government in Gaza and that 57% support them from the latest polling?
Weird perspective.
Israel targets civilians. The vast majority of buildings targeted by Israel since 7 Oct have been “power targets”, which, by their own definition, are targets that do not have significant military value but have value in that they can destablise civilian life such that the civilians might put pressure on the government to change.
Israel are literally using violence against civilians to achieve a political goal. That is the very definition of terrorism.
No one can argue that the events of 7 October were not terrorism. Roughly 2,000 people invaded Israel to commit terrorist acts. In response, Israel have committed their own form of terrorism and killed 20,000 people, very few of which were actually members of Hamas.
Your argument is a near perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Oh, please tell me what you think of IDF killing their own:
An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.
On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.
While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.
Fucking CNN blocks firefox? wtf
Works fine for me even with adblocking & tracker bloacking.
No issue for me, sounds like you’ve got some settings they don’t like, rather than explicitly blocking Firefox.
However I’ve had worse websites that just simply don’t work in Firefox at all. I mean, they do load, but there’s no ability to scroll, thus you cannot see the bulk of the content. An example: https://idno.vattenfall.co.uk/
Works fine for me. Firefox, Android, and within the EU.
It opens fine for me on Android
Try replacing “edition” with “lite” in the URL
Nazi subhuman trash (the IDF)
Don’t dehumanize people ever, please. War crimes need to be pointed out and punished, but neither nazi nor subhuman is a reasonable accusation.
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