Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
The comment “This” is annoying to me. Just use the upvote button!
This.
This
Upvoted and this’d
This!
Yea that seems like something that started showing up more as time went on and more users joined. The trends and jokes did get tiring.
And my axe!
🙄
The comment “this” comes from sites that don’t have votes. The equivalent here is voting. It really is that simple.
This. I usually try to avoid commenting just “This” and try to give more explanation why I’m saying that. Feel like that’s the proper way of doing it.
Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.
I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.
Agreed, especially with how new Lemmy is, it just really feels like it needs our engagement to succeed and get more people to join.
I remember when I first got on reddit, it was still bigger than lemmy is now, but it still felt small enough that commenting actually felt worthwhile. Definitely excited to be here. Tryna engage as much as possible so people feel there’s a community to join
If I’m not mistaken, because lemmy by default sorts comments by newest, if you comment something more users will see it, but on reddit it’ll get stuck at the bottom.
Yeah. Honestly I’m way more active here. Granted my whole time on the fediverse is like a week or two, but Ive made more comments today than I have in like a decade on reddit. I could easily see myself not returning to reddit.
Add back the hardcoded slur filter but just for these kind of comments
This tbh
Agree. Kind of relatedly, anyone know what boost does versus an upvote?
Assuming they use Mastodon terminology it likely means the same thing as a retweet.
(For anyone confused, OP’s using kbin, not Lemmy)
Nazis.
This is the big one
Yeah, fuck Nazis!
No, that’s how they reproduce! Isolate them! Or at least use a condom.
My thought as well.
Yes, fuck them, by the root and stem.
Yeah, but actual Nazis. Not “you disagreed with me or voted for someone I don’t like so I’m going to call you a Nazi.”
This user doth protest too much, methinks
Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.
I think you do have to be careful here though. If you’re too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you’re too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.
Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.
Good faith is the key here. I’m all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.
I can’t stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere “disagreement”. If a “disagreement” (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I’m pretty happy keeping those ideas out.
Gender critical ideas are based on truth and reality. If those ideas are censored here that would be terrible.
Hi! I’m trans. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.
Hi! I’m gender critical. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.
That’s the beautiful thing about being a federated platform. You can create your own island and fill it with all the hatred and bad “science” you want. it’s worked for the British for centuries.
No hatred here. Just leave the kids and women spaces alone.
I’ve never understood the need to militantly oppose others’ personal situations when they have no impact on your own. Even playing devil’s advocate - what is the point of the hate? You don’t believe in gender identity, then don’t personally be trans. The fact that others may be would seem to have literally zero impact on you or your life. Why should Lemmy accommodate negativity that does real harm to people in sensitive circumstances?
Trans identified males (TiMs) raping women in prisons.
Tims cheating women of prizes at their sports, and injuring them, and being proud about it.
Tims performing sexually suggestive dances at darg events in front of children.
Tims invading common changing spaces and getting naked in front or women and girls, masturbating and taking pictures inside women’s public bathrooms, sexually assaulting girls there, punching girls there at schools. Women and girls complaining about this told to shut up.
Women events to speak and watch movies about these topics invaded by tims and TRAs, physically attacked, silenced.
Teenage girls transitioning to boys because of autism, trauma, indoctrination, or contagion, with no lenghty therapy, just affirmation and immediately put in puberty blockers, having their breasts cut off and getting a frankenpenis made by mutilating their arms or tighs.
Children 3 years old and up being declared as trans by their parents with munchausen by proxy, for fame and money, having their dick cut off at 16.
Children in elementary school brainwashed by ideology books and teachers, made to transition without their parents knowing.
Children removed from their parents if the parents don’t affirm them.
Divorced parents where one of them says their three year old kid is trans and the other parent can’t do anything and loses custody.
Women of the year awards granted to tims.
Brand promoting protucts for women with tims ambassadors, tampax, nike women, ulta.
Target selling bathing suits for children that are “tuck friendly”.
People losing their jobs or careers if they speak out.
People arrested for posting on twitter and TRAs not liking it.
Millions of dollars made by pharma companies and hospitals and surgeons because of the trans epidemic, making the cycle continue by preying on mentally ill young people.
Drag queens reading children’s books to kids.
Vilification, abuse, harrasment, false accusations, threats, violence, assaults, etc to anyone who disagrees.
Erasure of the word “woman” and “man”, replaced by menstruators, chest feeders, birthing parent, prostate haver, cervix haver, in medical campaigns meant to prevent illnes by advocating frequent medical checkups, where vulnerable and marginalized populations then do not understand the language and miss said medical checkups.
Tims breastfeeding babies with their male hormone induced lactation.
Rape shelters where women get bundled up with tims, when they just went through rape trauma, now having to share the space with males with penis.
Cancellation, harrasment and false accusations to a woman that funds and creates a rape shelter for women only.
Cancellation etc. Of female athletes that speak out. See the case where a female swimmer had the same time to the millisecond against a tim swimmer and the trophy was given to the tim. Then she was attacked by tras at an event where she was speaking about this.
I think that cover a little of how this affects people.
I can’t believe you took the time to write me this novel-length hate manifesto. I doubt any of us are going to change your entrenched views, so I’m going to stop engaging with this thread. But I would humbly suggest you ponder (to yourself, in silence), the impact that words can have on vulnerable people.
Who decides whats non-discriminatory.
/r/jailbait needed a spotlight in the national news from Anderson Cooper to get dealt with.
But (allowing for the fact that I’m still learning) by its nature I’m not sure the fediverse can stop these things in total, but the particular instances you subscribe to can. I’m unclear if INDIVIDUALS can ban instances which I think might be a good addition. But instances can, and eventually the fediverse will figure out which instances to put in the time-out corner for the rest of us, I think. But it will take time and might be a bit of wack-a-mole.
I think this is the big thing that Fediverse platforms are missing right now. If you want to be able to ban instances yourself, you have to run your own.
@koncertejo @gronapa >Left-leaning
Not here communist faggot.
@koncertejo @gronapa Welcome to Fediverse, faggots! This is a place for racist K-On! fans and racist K-On! fans only. Queers, women, and people of color are not allowed here.
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with? Sounds pretty fascist tbh.
When those views call for the dehuminization of others or are based on false information, yes.
Consider opening up a window and letting CO2 out
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with?
Yes.
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with?
Yes.
Posting pictures too much, including pictures of tweets or pictures of news headlines.
Please link to the fucking article.
Yes! Many sumbreddits that actually had a point and were dare-I-say educational quickly became just twitter sceencap platitudes, on repeat.
I get it, easy to read and agree with and upboat, but ultimately just dumbing the place down to the lowest common denominator and burying anything with effort or insight.
Can’t wait for the screenshot of a Reddit post of a Lemmy post of an Instagram post about Elon tweeting some shit.
Oh God please
Mods who are running 10 major subreddits. It gives them too much power to steer opinions.
The shadow cabal that ran Reddit
It’s honestly crazy that these random ass mods had the power to actually influence the views of millions
Lol as Reddit management will soon find out (we hope)
The awkward turtle…
Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.
I see the same shit in the Fediverse though. Mastodon admins blocking a server just because they refused to participate in a shared block list.
Someone’s going to make a script to ban a non-local user based on your remote posts, I guarantee it.
Isn’t the federated model specifically designed as a solution to undesired moderation? If a server is ban happy, users won’t go there. Problem solved?
The fact that opening a new instance still requires some technical knowledge is a difficulty facing the fediverse, since the venn diagram of people with the time and know-how to manage server administration and people who are knowledgeable on community moderation aren’t always two concentric circles.
But that’s not a task that is asked of a general user, even if their goal is to switch servers. If you don’t like gmail, the solution for an individual is almost never to start your own email server.
Correct. What i’m saying is that since federated networks tend to be more community run initiatives, moderators are gonna be people from within the community and the final say on moderation issues is gonna come from those who understand how the fediverse works and have done the work of setting up the servers that everyone is using. Which I’m sure can and has worked for plenty of Mastodon and Lemmy instances out there, but I’m sure there’s also instances where the head admin simply went haywire one day and nuked everything. It’s not that the system can’ work, it’s just that it isn’t really designed to gravitate towards experienced trust and safety experts being the ones that important decisions fall upon.
I feel like I should clarify that I have nothing against any Lemmy mods or admins. They’re all being cool and helpful with onboarding reddit refugees like myself. I just think that this is an important thing to think about if we want this place to support more and more people and a growing number of communities in the future.
Which is important if you don’t want the Fediverse to become the next Voat.
Can you please explain?
Proactively banning problematic users before they cause issues is necessary. Prevention is better than cure.
Ah, the old guilt by association groupthink.
On principle I agree with you, people shouldn’t be banned until they break the rules. But practically I can’t ignore the other guys point, it might not be fair to everyone but it certainly seems effective in protecting a given community from trolling
This is a ridiculous response. I think autobanning people who common “killthejews@ss.gov” is probably a good idea.
You’re making a strawman argument and putting words in my mouth.
What mastodon server(s)?
Upvote/downvote counts mangling. Just show the real numbers, don’t mess with them with an unknown “algorithm”.
As far as I can see, the real number is already on top of the post. And then you have the split of up/downvotes near the arrows. So the “algorithm” is just basic addidion and subtraction. Someone correct me if I saw something wrong…
I think they’re referring to what Reddit did with not showing them separately
Exactly, I don’t want that to change, I like simplicity and so far lemmy has it like the 90s.
Mod culture is always odd to me. I kind of wish there was more community modderation, and less dictators for life running things.
I know with mine that’s the approach I’m taking. Let the community dictate rules rather than power tripping mods
What’s your community?
I run an instance for all things pop music! From Madonna to Taylor Swift, if you like pop music you have a home with us! poptalk.scrubbles.tech
I can’t think of a subject I have less interest in but I love that we’re actually seeing all kinds of communities pop up here.
Looking at their profile, it’s probably !taylorswift@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
Definitely a problem that comes with reddit and the unique subreddit names I’d say. I feel like that may not be avoided here since moving many subscribers from a large->small community is so difficult. Maybe the federation style will be successful though, I can’t say I have enough experience to predict that well.
To be honest, I don’t think that’s entirely just a Reddit thing. Power tripping mods have been around as long as Internet forums have in general. It’s a tough one to combat for sure.
As have complaints about legitimate mods from people who got banned. It is a complex issue even just to get the facts of the matter. Maybe some sort of public log of all mod messages and actions would help with that but then one would have to ensure that the people who like the deleted messages don’t just use the mod log as their new place to spread the content.
gatekeeping, censorship, shadowbans from commenting in a different community, echo chambers.
Shadowbans especially. Either ban a post or not, but don’t make the poster think everyone can still see it without explanation.
The Fediverse already has these, there are lots of echo chamber instances that automatically block other instances for simply federating with the “wrong” instance (equivalent to those AutoMod bans on Reddit for posting in a certain subreddit). Since instance admins pay for their instances out of pocket, they are more restrictive with their instance’s allowed content than social media websites that want to cast the widest net. Eventually, there will be a massive split between communities, like how conservative and progressive Mastodon instances all block each other. Centrists can just have an account on each side of the wall.
As a new community we need to identify and stamp out bad actors immediately and thoroughly (spammers, selfservers, ads disguised as posts, brigading, illegal content, racism, you get the idea).
We can’t control if they create their own instances, but we can isolate them.If Lemmy truly catches on we probably can’t totally prevent an Eternal September, but I do hope we go a long way to staving it off.
this seems to be a good place to mention avoiding groupthink and trendy opinions. more fresh diverisity and bold independent thinkers.
a flood of general americans would be worse than cultivating a niche counterculture initial userbase.
Bullshit moderation.
Reddit was so full of hateful shit. Reddit’s AEO (Anti Evil Operations, basically the admins personal “mod team”, probably outsourced to some country with lacking English skills) would continue to tell me that the most blatant hateful comments do not violate Reddit’s ToS. Meanwhile, you get (perma) banned for the most ridiculous & mundane things at times, like saying that a fascist Italy should get kicked out of the EU & NATO. Apparently this is considered “spreading hate” and they even denied my appeal, explaining that both institutions require the members to be democratic. Meanwhile all the racism on subs like /r/europe would go unpunished. I also tried to report similar comments to mine as hate, but containing less popular countries like Turkey, and unsurprisingly they also didn’t see it as hate.Getting harassed by other users that reply on all your comments & follow you around? Nope, no violation.
Questioning the title & picture relation of a governmental account? Apparently harassment / bullying worth a 7 day ban.
Calling out dehumanization? Perma ban in a sub.
Perma ban in a sub? Perma ban in another sub for complaining about it, for “ban evasion”.
Speaking out against predatory monetization methods & FOMO tactics in modern video games? Getting attacked & insulted by users and consequently perma banned for being “an asshole troll” - none of the attacks & insults were removed, let alone punished.What isn’t a violation? Racism, transphobia, homophobia, calls for violence, etc.
In regards to big hate subs it is also mostly the case that Reddit only goes and does something against them when there’s some sort of media attention around it. When it directly affects their potential income. Maybe if advertisers start to complain about it.The enforcement of the rules is so random at this point that I don’t even know what one is allowed to say, or why I even should care about accounts and the platform as a whole. I understand that moderation of big platforms is not an easy task, but one surely can do better than whatever the hell Reddit is doing nowadays.
In regards to specifically Lemmy I would say they aren’t up to a good start with the controversial admin team and their extremist views.
The nice thing about federation is that you can always go somewhere else if you disagree with a particular instance.
Lemmy’s devs have questionable politics at best. IMO, I don’t care as long as it doesn’t impact how they run the site - people have a right to their own opinions, as long as those opinions don’t harass or hurt others directly.
But let’s say they changed one day. Maybe one day they added something to the code forcing everyone to praise the CCP or else.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It’s out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that’s something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy’s devs do… they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
I’ve seen the sentiment tossed around that it’s unethical to use Lemmy because if you donate to the project (or contribute to donations towards the project) you are financing people who have bad politics. That’s your prerogative. I personally disagree - again, as long as your politics aren’t actively contributing to harassment/harm you shouldn’t be punished for them - but I understand the sentiment.
To that, I say - well, there’s other options. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse - you don’t have any Musk or Spez that comes along to ruin everything. I’m on Kbin, which I like a lot. The dev is a great guy, and I really like how it combines the best of Lemmy and Mastodon.
Even if you want to stay on Lemmy, there are wonderful communities on Lemmy that disagree with the direction of the devs. Beehaw is a great place with a fantastic mod team, for example. You can donate to Beehaw’s devs and know it’s going to keep Beehaw running, and it’s not the same as supporting Lemmy directly.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It’s out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that’s something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy’s devs do… they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
People are already doing so, right now. AFAIK Lemmy by default doesn’t have the ability to disable downvoting, yet Beehaw and the instance I’m on (among others, probably) do have downvoting disabled.
Wow, thank you for this post. Doing some reading on Lemmy’s devs’ attitude toward human rights, and… I think I’ll check out Kbin. Thanks again, I had no idea!
What’s the story about the Lemmy admins? Hadn’t heard anything about that.
I’ve been on lemmy for about three years and the admins have been phenomenal. The interactions I’ve had and seen with them have been well-reasoned and positive.
I can’t speak for whether it’s true or not, but the answer I’ve seen is that they’re tankies, or associated with that crowd in some way.
Realized another - the awards that reddit created were out of control. I didn’t mind avatars too much since customization can be fun and it was optional, but the awards are spammed and shown on most reddit clients.
I actually support awards here with the option of hiding them, i think it’d be a good, relatively ethical way to monetize lemmy.
funding is better than monetizing a platform
It could be in cool (in the future) to have a donate button instead, so to support users who are posting great content
On the other hand, donating to lemmy should be separate (the way it is now) and not a cut of those donations to users
I always thought it would be cool if awards meant something, like a donation to an NGO of the user’s choosing (from a list of 20 or so to reduce complexity). Lemmy could be one of the options but not the only option (like it was for Reddit) that the money would go to. I feel like more people would buy and give awards if that were the case.
Like integrating a PayPal/ Kofi tool kind of?
I felt the move of making reddit silver a real award was a big shift. Newer users don’t even get why reddit silver was a thing.
I do like the idea of optional visibility - awards certain;y don’t have to be bloat/bad.
Reddit Silver being an award just completely stole all the magic out of it. It was a cute little memey way to show support and make fun of Reddit Gold and then it got turned into a way to put more money in Reddit’s pocket :c
I remember Reddit Gold being controversial when it was new.
It’d be kinda cool to have a ‘$s donated in this comments name’ counter or something. But yeah 100 different sprites/icons on a comment was visual gore.
Yeah that’s a really good point. Maybe a portion of the award funds for a given post could go to that post’s creator’s server and a portion to a pooled fund for all servers/servers reaching capacity?
Of course this and any other ideas re monitising should be carefully thought out re perverse incentives 😬
Awards were fine when there was only three of them: gold, silver, platinum. Once they added twenty billion, all meaning the awards once had were lost, especially since many of them were given to users for free when they were once paid only.
The forced ‘inside jokes’ that filled so many threads, so many times you would see a post and be able to predict the top comment and its replies. Hoping that the lack of account karma helps with that.
Ah, the ole Lemmy switcheroo.
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger.
Don’t forget to edit your comment to say thanks when it goes over a thousand upvotes.
I threw up in my mouth… like a lot
I feel conflicted between downvoting this as these are the exact types of comments that ended up grinding my gears, or to upvote you because that’s precisely why you wrote them.
You mean you don’t like reading the same witty one-liners on every third post? I’m looking forward to actual discussion with less farming for fake internet points.
i dunno, but anarchychess memes that leak out into other communities never fail to make me laugh
New response just dropped
Seeing “google en passant” everywhere was both annoying and absolutely hilarious.
If this was a Reddit thread you’d have about 300 replies of “This. So much this.”
This
This.
(I said sarcastically.)
Dude same
bread👍
And my axe!
I also choose this guy’s axe.
Shadow banning… one of the most Orwellian moderation tools ever.
I never understood shadow banning. Just IP ban if you really don’t want that user coming back
The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they’re comments are still being posted, but everyone else it’s invisible.
IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.
“Can’t post today, because another random person got my IP ‘du jour’ banned in the past” is a pretty terrible user experience.
And the pro troll uses Tor or a VPN and only needs to reconnect his client to receive a fresh IP address. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.
Reddit banned device MAC addresses, in my experience.
I pretty sure you can’t get someone’s MAC through a browser (through the app maybe), so I’m calling bullshit on this one.
How is that possible? On the app maybe? Generally all a website can see is your IP and whatever telemetry your browser sends back.
Hmm. Well, maybe my deductions are off. I used only RIF and a unique email address. Caught a ban. Remade account, banned within a few hours. Tried a week later, banned in a few hours. Gave up for a couple months then got a new device. Created an account, lasted for months. So I figured it was the device. Static IP. Email addresses the same just with a random number appended into it with a plus sign like just+283748w9293@emails.com. Wasn’t trying to hide.
I found the site wide rule against violence to be arbitrarily and poorly enforced. I wrote a lot about legal history and specifically crime and punishment, and I guess my prose and rhetoric sometimes confused the admins into thinking I would ever endorse violence.
Anyway, found it hard to find your reply here to comment back to you. Browning in jerboa. Could see your reply in the inbox but clicking on it didn’t bring up a reply option, just took me to the full comments. Had to scroll through your posts, you seem pretty chill and reasonable and thanks for making so many comments. I think it’s really about the discussions rather than the top level meme content.
