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    “ Burkhardt’s appearance was promoted by SkyTree Book Fairs, a newly formed organization marketing itself as “an alternative to the sexually explicit content distributed in Scholastic’s book fairs.””

    Hmmm, so this was a marketing ploy?

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          To be fair, “Degenerate Porn-Addled Lady” is probably really cool.

          This woman, however, is not DPAL and wants to ban books, because she likes the completely unrelated thing: porn. If that’s all it takes, I like pizza, so we should ban the Bible.

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          Sadly, they did:

          Burkhardt’s gambit has already had an impact. The Conroe school board, after listening to her story, voted to restrict access to Drama, the Scholastic book featuring a kiss, from all students in the 8th grade and below. One of the school board members, Melissa Dungan, suggested replacing Scholastic with SkyTree Book Fairs. “All glory to God,” Burkhardt posted in response to the news.

          I hope Scholastic sues them into oblivion.

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      Yeah, a marketing ploy by a fascist organization:

      While SkyTree Book Fairs presents itself as an independent non-profit organization, it appears to be a hastily assembled offshoot of Brave Books, which publishes children’s books by right-wing pundits and pseudo-celebrities.

      Fuckin gross.

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        And there it is, ayup. These people are doing quite the full court press to drag us back into the 50s.

        (1950s? Or 1850s. You decide)

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        That sadly worked:

        Burkhardt’s gambit has already had an impact. The Conroe school board, after listening to her story, voted to restrict access to Drama, the Scholastic book featuring a kiss, from all students in the 8th grade and below. One of the school board members, Melissa Dungan, suggested replacing Scholastic with SkyTree Book Fairs. “All glory to God,” Burkhardt posted in response to the news.

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    Wait till she actually reads the Bible. She’s gonna be sooooo horny after that I tell ya.

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      If a simple kiss gives her a porn addiction what does she think of what Lot’s daughters did? Worse than a damn Folgers commercial

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        I love using that story to counter the “modern books are smut, have kids read the Bible” folks. Either that or the story of Dinah.

        To those who don’t know it. Dinah was raped. Her rapist decided he wanted to marry her and, being such a “nice guy,” asked her brothers for permission. They agreed, but only if he and all men in the town were circumcised. The guy agreed and, being the prince, ordered all men to get circumcised. When all the men were “indisposed,” the brothers came in, killed all the men, took the women and children as slaves, and took all their possessions.

        Their father, Jacob, was angry with how they acted because they “caused trouble” and it could result in other tribes attacking them. Apparently, he was fine with his daughter being raped because the story just moves on to other things.

        So this is just a normal everyday kid’s story with rape, theft, and murder! Perfectly acceptable for any child to read because at least two guys didn’t kiss!!!

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          Whoa, whoa, TIL the Catholics have translated that verse to say their THRUSTS were like stallions’, but every translation I grew up with clearly specified that their emissions/their ejaculate was like horses’. What gives? Which is it!?

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            There isn’t a standard Catholic translation, so which one are you talking about? I’ve checked the NIV, NCB, NRSV, NJB and none of those say “their Thrusts”. The only one I can find it in is the NAB and that’s specifically a US version that as a Canadian who grew up Catholic, I’d never heard of before!

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              I grew up with KJV (even occasionally “KJV-only,” which is a whole thing). Then as I got older, while I was still religious, I moved to the English Standard Version and/or the New American Standard. But when I Googled the verse, it popped up the USCCB site, which had that translation. I’m not clear on whether USCCB has their own translation (?) or they’re using one of the ones you referenced. I’d just never seen that translation. ESV says “issue,” NAS says “discharge.”

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          It’s a fun one for churches that insist you don’t “read between the lines” of the bible. The one I grew up in said it was a metaphor for God’s relationship with the nation of Israel. As opposed to the straightforward interpretation that Solomon supposedly had 700 wives and was still horny for one more.

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    Of course it’s a plant by a right-wing org.

    Scholastic fairs were amazing when I was in school. Good to see that they are still in operation.

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        It’s been so long ago that I don’t remember what I bought from them. I read loads of books when Inwas a kid. Though I don’t think I bought any of the “how to draw” series.

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    So she’s not even objecting to LGBT+ content specifically? She’s against all kissing in books? So no Snow White? No Frog Prince?

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      It’s likely just a nothing excuse to ban the scholastic book fair and replace it with the “faith based children’s” books company mentioned in the article.

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      When queer people said that they’d be coming for y’all’s romantic expression next we really didn’t expect it to be so dang quick

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        Especially no bible. The amount of sex (including butt stuff), incest, wanking, murder, and torture in there would surely have every conservative parent in an uproar

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      What about holding hands? Does that lead to porn addictions also?

      Oh, and the Frog Prince involved kissing a frog. Some frogs produce hallucinogenic substances so kissing them can get you high. Therefore, reading that book leads to drug addictions! It’s a two-fer!

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    Reminder that “porn addiction” is not a thing. Sexual addiction is, porn addiction was invented by conservative/religious weirdos who think masturbation is “sinful.” Religions are especially glib about calling things “porn and addiction” without justification. They want you to think you’re sick, so they can provide you the “cure.”

    Just because you enjoy looking at porn and/or masturbating regularly doesn’t mean you have a sexual addiction. If you have trouble maintaining employment or relationships because of your habits, you might, and you should talk it over with a secular licensed psychologist to make that determination and decide the best way to address it.

    Edit: for anyone that wants to take umbrage at the fact that “sex addiction” isn’t in the latest DSM-V from 2013, here’s a 2019 review from psychology scholars: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=porn+addiction&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1701288070891&u=%23p%3DNjIPuUqk95kJ

    And one from 2020: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=11094516847889822262&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en#d=gs_qabs&t=1701288571080&u=%23p%3Dz2RDDmDZK2AJ

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      Hey, can you tell me where sex addiction is in the DSM-V? I can’t seem to find it as a diagnosis.

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        Not to be pedantic, but the DSM is not the final word on the existence of different disorders. It is a tool to help doctors do their jobs.

        You won’t find Religious Trauma Syndrome in the DSM either, yet it is still recognized as a thing by a growing number of professionals. This example is still being discussed as to whether it should be its own category or if it should be rolled into CPTSD.

        So I would demure to the consensus of practicing psychologists, not the DSM.

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          The diagnosis in DSM-V are the consensus of professionals. Diagnosis appear in it once there’s sufficient clinical evidence of the <>, and the members come to a consensus.

          It is true that you won’t find e.g… scrupulosity in the DSM-V, but you will find OCD, and practitioners that deal with religious issues recognize that scrupulosity is a manifestation of OCD. Religious trauma would be more correctly seen as a cause of PTSD of CPTSD, rather than a distinct diagnosis of it’s own…

          Simply being a practicing psychologist and acting as though a thing is real is not sufficient proof that a thing is real; after all, you’ll find plenty of therapists–almost all of them treating therapy as a religious exercise–the will talk about addiction to pornography and masturbation, when the literature indicates that it’s not a problem in the way that they act like it is. Therapists in Utah will quite often act as though any use of pornography is evidence of an addiction to pornography (see also: Jodi Hildebrandt). Some therapists still insist that being homosexual or transgender are mental disorders than can be cured.

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            The diagnosis in DSM-V are the consensus of professionals. Diagnosis appear in it once there’s sufficient clinical evidence of the <>, and the members come to a consensus.

            I think it’s more accurate to say it’s a consensus, not the consensus. The consensus necessarily does and should change over time, and the DSM-V is a decade old.

            Religious trauma would be more correctly seen as a cause of PTSD of CPTSD, rather than a distinct diagnosis of it’s own…

            According to you and maybe the DSM, not necessarily the consensus of psychologists. It’s not a decided issue whether it should be a diagnosis of its own or not.

            Ultimately, maybe the woman in the article does have an addiction. Maybe she masturbates so much, she can’t function as an adult. I don’t know, but I know I’ve read a few studies, and they never used “porn addiction” (except to critique the notion), but they did use “sexual addiction.”

            Here’s one, and the relevant quote: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0%2C44&amp;q=porn+addiction&amp;btnG=#d=gs_qabs&amp;t=1701288070891&amp;u=%23p%3DNjIPuUqk95kJ

            However, despite all efforts, we are still unable to profile when engaging in this behavior becomes pathological. Common problems include: sample bias, the search for diagnostic instrumentals, opposing approximations to the matter, and the fact that this entity may be encompassed inside a greater pathology (i.e., sex addiction) that may present itself with very diverse symptomatology.

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          I don’t deny that there are issues or that these may be issues, but your source is a company offering to sell an alternative means of mental health support, not an institution of psychological research or a professional organization of psychological researchers.

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          The fact that they brought it up as some kind of gotcha kind of shows they don’t know what they’re talking about.

          I’m no expert, either, but I’ve at least read books from credentialed psychologists who said the same thing as that article. One even called it a “rule of thumb,” a tool to help guide you in the right direction.

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            My thoughts the same. Almost every time I see the DSM-5 mentioned, it’s by someone using it as a defense in a made up argument.

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    The Conroe school board, after listening to her story, voted to restrict access to Drama, the Scholastic book featuring a kiss, from all students in the 8th grade and below.

    Bruh, in 8th grade the girl sitting next to me in science class told me she liked the smell of my pubescent BO and offered to blow me under the lab bench. Also in sex ed I had a very clear view of some girl giving her boyfriend a foot job under the table. Also 9/11 happened that year. I’ll give you three guesses which one was the most traumatic.

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      she liked the smell of my pubescent BO and offered to blow me under the lab bench. Also in sex ed I had a very clear view of some girl giving her boyfriend a foot job under the table

      that’s not sexualizing kids, though. it’s only sexualizing kids if it’s queer.

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        Don’t worry, everyone got called a fag at least once a week. I’m sure none of us ended up gay. Also there was one black kid and he got arrested for weed.

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          oh it’s not been so long that I’ve forgotten that being a cis boy in school consists 99% of shouting about how everyone except you is gay. “the lady doth protest a lot and is therefore probably telling the truth” and all

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          When I was a kid, everybody was a removed because of any old reason. I was called a fag or removed at least once an hour for years. It had lost all association with homosexuality, bundles of sticks, or cigarettes. Only like 7% of us ended up getting the gay and they turned out fabulous.

          Written or spoken words can’t make someone catch the gay, only reaching middle age and being honest with yourself can do that. /s

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          Same and my first blow job from a girl I was 14 and she did it right on the steps of our apartment building. Funny thing is I was talking to a friend at the time when she unzipped my pants pulled it out and started sucking.

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    So apparently this woman works for a competing (fringe right wing) book publisher. In which case Scholastic might have grounds to sue.

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    It’s a slippery slope from learning that love and romance exists to porn addiction and blowing homeless dudes in an alley. This is why we must never teach children that affection exists. Only hate.

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      Right, I laughed so hard. There were so many rude and crude kids books back in the day. Things far more controversial than a kiss. These people have actually lost it. And unfortunately so has at least one board member.

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    One time I read a book with the word “the” in it. Man, the dark places that took me. (/s if not obvious).

    Where on earth do the book-banning nutjobs find these other nutjobs?

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    Lmao. For me, I just have a love for those anatomical books that peal back a layer, everytime you turn the page.

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    Debilitating addictions are an illness. Should we kill all of the bees because some people are severely allergic? I can understand the mysterious woman feeling that way, but the sane response is treatment of the few susceptible, not prohibition for all the rest.