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    Civilian infrastructure are public works dedicated solely to civilians and does not inherently include power.

    Did I say that civilian infrastructure includes power?

    You do not understand war crimes.

    I can read. I can read the UN charters. I understand war crimes.

    Collective punishment implies no military purpose

    No it does not. There is a definition in international law. Nothing is implied, it is defined.

    Forcible relocation is only occurring if Israel does not allow them to return after the current conflict is concluded.

    Again, relocating is defined in the UN charters. This is where you should go if you would like to understand the definitions of war crimes.

    Israel has not ordered civilians to any specific area they have then bombed.

    This has been independently verified by the BBC. Israel did exactly this, repeatedly.

    Israel has a border. That’s not blockading a population

    And did Israel allow any Palestinians through that border after October 7th? Or did it close the border and bomb the Rafah crossing, thus blockading the entire Gaza Strip?

    Not providing food is not the same thing as depriving of food

    Not allowing any food in is depriving of food

    Bombing a convoy of mismarked vehicles is not a war crime.

    Vehicles were not mismarked, they were legit, as the Red Cross independently verified. You would also need some proof that they were mismarked before bombing them, which was not gathered.

    Something called a refugee camp for 80 years is not an active refugee camp.

    A “refugee camp” is not a refugee camp. What is it then? A tomato?

    The IDF is not using white phosphorous munitions within Gaza City but have probably used it for illumination. This is perfectly legal.

    It’s not even remotely legal to use while phosphorus in areas where civilians are present, or even where event combatants may be present. Again, check the charters (chemical weapons).

    Sources: Red Cross International, BBC, UN charters.

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      Your entire reply can be summed up as “no you are lying” without addressing any of the points. If you cannot admit that an 80 year old location called a refugee camp I’d not functioning as a refugee camp anymore I don’t think there is anything you will accept as truth. You are very taken by propaganda and you do not validate claims, as a lot of folks on here do.

      Literally all of these claims have been made against NATO countries when I’ve seen it personally to not be true and I’ve seen NATO take the same approach to the response. Insurgents and others at a disadvantage such as Hamas lie because it’s the only way they can gain the information war. Find one example where Hamas admits that one of their members were killed. You cannot because according to them, all Israel hits are civilians and ambulances and they’ve never traveled in one. Not once.

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        I can accept it if I’m shown evidence. I’m a scientist, I need data and a sound hypothesis to change my mind. I don’t care about personal experience or lived truth when I’m trying to find objective truth.
        If you’d like to sum up my reply as three words, that’s up to you. If you want to believe that I’m taken by propaganda, that’s fine too, but it’s more than a little bit intellectually lazy. There are laws that define war crimes. In my reading of them, and many others’, there is between little and no room for the evidence we’ve seen to amount to anything other than a war crime. At least a huge amount of compelling evidence the other way would be needed to exonerate. Take for example the footage we’ve seen of entire square kilometers of Gaza completely flattened by building. There we have evidence of the war crime of targeting civilian infrastructure except if there’s also evidence that all of it was a Hamas base. Now, it seems unlikely that this is possible, unless everyone in Gaza is a member of Hamas. Another extraordinary claim which would require extraordinary evidence to be borne out.

        In general, my view on the situation in Israel has been that there are no good guys. In recent days, though, I’m watching a democratic state ally of my country committing horrific crimes against humanity, with weapons provided by my country and other allies. Hamas never had my support. Netenyahu’s Israel has lost it.