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I’d love to see a video that takes this concept, but walks around with it. Literally
Start by getting out of a car on the side of the street or in a parking lot, and when the camera gets out of the car, all the “car areas” drop away, leaving only the paths you’re “allowed” to take. Tiny sections right against the parking spaces, zebra crossings, sidewalks, all normal (or in this style).
Camera goes about a normal day, and as they’re looking around, all the car designated areas are just voids.
Bonus points if areas you’re technically not supposed to walk are boxed off in like a video game style DO NOT ENTER wall. For instance, there are sections of my city with NO sidewalks, up against private residences. So your options are walk over people’s yards or in the street. In this scenario, it’s a void against a wall. Good luck.
I’m just thinking about walking to get to downtown, and there’s no way I could do it without being somewhere I’m “not allowed”. And imagining the massive voids everywhere is a bit depressing. Not that roads and parking lot deserts are any less depressing… I need to go walk in the woods for a bit…
I’m just thinking about walking to get to downtown, and there’s no way I could do it without being somewhere I’m “not allowed”.
If I want to cross the 4-lane road just outside my apartment, there is simply no legal way to do it. There is an intersection but no crosswalks and no way to request to cross. I shouldn’t have to have a vehicle just to get from one side of the road to the other.
In most states you can cross at any intersection without crosswalks.
The cross at will laws
And in many countries “jaywalking” is not illegal at all.
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And sudden cracks and voids appear, when cars park on sidewalks or a car crashes into pedestrian areas.
Sounds like something that Corridor Crew/Wren would make
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Something like this? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJKWuwan/
Not quite the way you describe it, but I you reminded me of this vid anyway
This has circled around the internet for years now. I remember the last time I saw it people were losing their minds over how “reductive” it was. Blew me away
Whats Reductive
Ligma balls
Not much, how about you?
Ugh I can imagine the re**it comments now
It’s hardly any different here.
Does that mean I gain the flying ability when I jaywalk
Yes, try your ability over a cliff to ensure
You just have to believe
It’s missing parking lots :(
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Not to mention the growing sinkholes everywhere.
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Jaywalkers are people with jetpacks
Hey, I know that place. That’s exactly what the old downtown area of my native city looked like while they were renovating all the streets (which took well over a year).
Also looks like Venice, just fill the hole with water.l and tourist will be pouring in.
Note: to be fair, after finishing the work in my city, those streets were all closed off to cars except for people who live there (not many) and deliveries for the local businesses.
The walkways are a fair bit wider in Venice.
Every time I see this photo it’s more and more mangled
This is such a weird picture, because you can still walk out into the street when there’s no vehicles around
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“I CAN THINK OF ONE JOURNEY THAT NEEDED A CAR THEREFORE ALL JOURNEYS NEED CARS” Jesus
Cargo bikes need to become more common. It would have easily carried a laser printer … and a second laser printer … and your groceries for the week … and a kitchen appliance.
Edit: Here are the examples from the Not Just Bikes video on cargo bikes:
Even a rear or front cargo rack or basket that’s big enough should be able to carry most items.
Here’s a large rear cargo rack that should work:
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Hench why they said they should become more common.
There’s a few pilot projects for cargobike shares popping up in my city, and I hope they become more prolific to allow everyone easy access without having to own.
There’s also the option of renting a car that single time.
Or just paying for delivery.
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What exactly made the theoretical bike not an option instead of the theoretical car?
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Jesus Christ. Take the bus home. Get the bike. Ride the bike to where the printer is. Put the printer on the bike, and ride home.
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Because you were wishing for a car but ruled out a bike as an option? 🤪
Good grief…
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i mean this is why we invented carts lol
I gotta hand it to you, kid, you’re the perfect specimen why communities like fuck cars exist, and why nothing is changing.
Even presented with a fucking wishing well you cannot come up with anything but “CAaAaR”, because your imagination spans from wall to wallpaper.
You could have imagined and wished for e.g. a working infrastructure of cargo bike sharing, but nope!, car it is!
You don’t understand why people hate cars, you’re part of the reason people hate cars.
I don’t have money, I don’t make money, so I couldn’t get an Uber/Lyft/Taxi (Not to mention that we don’t have taxis where I live).
Ah, a car is free, of course, it just drops out of nowhere and runs on unicorn dust. Tonight, please ask mommy and daddy what they’re paying for their car(s). Full cost: down payment, monthly payments, fuel, repairs, insurance, loss of value, everything.
I’m gonna tl;dr it for you: if you cannot afford a taxi/uber/whatever even once, you cannot afford a car. There, that was easy, wasn’t it?
I ruled a bike out as an option as I CANNOT take a bike onto a school bus, so I can get to school.
I thought the printer was just 3 miles away? Did it ever occur to you you could have just gone home, pick up the cargo bike, ride the 3 miles to the printer which literally takes 10 minutes and pick it up?
Taxi? wheelbarrow? Cart? Steal a shopping cart?
I used to say things like this when I lived without a car, but it took me way too long to realize other people walking to the grocery would take a taxi/Uber home. It makes it a lot easier to carry the load and it’s not too expensive in one direction for a short distance
That’s such a contrived example why would we even bother with it?
Typically when people purchase or obtain items that they need to transport home or to someplace, they do some sort of planning ahead. Also, when I was a kid and needed transportation I typically could just ask an adult to help out with this. Or, another option would be to ask the school to hold the object until you could arrange transportation.
In any case, three miles is not a particularly long distance to traverse, and as you pointed out above you were actually able to walk that distance while carrying it. Well laser printers are somewhat heavy, I’m sure it was a little annoying to carry and you probably had to stop several times and rest. By myself had to carry 30 lb of lumber about 3 mi home from the lumber store years ago when I didn’t have a car. And yes I was able to manage.
However, cargo bicycles exist and are quite popular in many parts of the world including the United States and can carry up to 400 lbs, so it is not true that the only means of transporting moderately weighty items is by automobile.
In fact, I would be willing to bet that you would not even need a cargo bicycle but a normal bicycle with a rear rack and a couple of bungee cords would probably suffice. I know this because I got away without having a bicycle for 6 years as an adult American in a city and even went bicycle camping a few times with my friends.
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And I wish it wasn’t raining when my daughter had her 8th birthday party in the park. We don’t always get what we want in this world, even when we’re doing something we want to do.
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Coincidentally it is the same space that is used by bikes. Or does the artist picture them as combat-biking on the pavement?
Bikes take much less space and they will go around people, it’s not uncommon for roads to be shared for bikes and pedestrians at the same time. On the other hand you risk getting hit by a car if you walk into the streets, thus the metaphor of falling down a chasm.
Bikes take much less space and they will go around people,
Well, I seriously doubt that bikes generally go “around” people. For pedestrians in a pedestrian environment, a bike is about as dangerous as a car is for bikes on a road.
you risk getting hit by a car if you walk into the streets
Just like you risk getting run over by a combat-biker in the pavement, the pedestrian zone in the city, or a pedestrian crossing. And don’t tell me those things dont happen - I see them every day.
For pedestrians in a pedestrian environment, a bike is about as dangerous as a car is for bikes on a road.
Numbers, please.
Just like you risk getting run over by a combat-biker in the pavement […] I see them every day.
Numbers, please.
I don’t know where you come from (I guess US?) but I live in a city that has a very long bike lane shared with pedestrian sidewalk and I take that road very often, nothing ever happens. Worst case scenario I just ring my bicycle bell and they move aside, which is a plus because I love ringing my bell :)
I guess US?
Nope. Europe.
Worst case scenario I just ring my bicycle bell and they move aside
That’s what I’m talking about: Bikers complain about cars, but totally ignore their relationship to pedestrians. “I ring my bell and let them hop away”…
You qre a very angry person. Absolutely nobody has any issues with what I described 🤷♂️
I’m not angry. I just describe facts that you obviously don’t like.
When pedestrians occupy the full width of the path, what do you expect me to do but ring my bell to ask for room to pass them?
Asking for room is OK. But the usual tone is “jump out of the way, or else!”. Just today there was a letter to the editor in the newspaper about reckless bikers in a busy underpass here. Admittedly, this underpass is to narrow for it’s use, but this women regularly observes bikers who speed up down the ramp to the underpass and basically plow through the pedestrian passage at full speed from both directions - and the passage is just 3m/10ft wide.
That sounds like really bad pathway design, I presume the underpass has a downhill entry and uphill exit, encouraging cyclists to gain speed on entry to make the exit easier
I would complain about that underpass rather than the people using it the obvious way
I think it’s funny because even if cars weren’t invented then the images presented would still be the same. Cars followed the convention that was before them… horses, and horses with carts and cartridges.
Not really, cars are faster and more deadly. People had to be somewhat careful. The auto industry invented a slur (jaywalking) to convince people the street was no a place for people outside of a car. Look up old footage of cities, people are everywhere in the street.
The topic is “Look at the roads, this is because of cars”… Well, no it’s not at all. It was already like this before cars were invented.
Furthermore, Americans invented the slur. Everywhere else in the world it’s called crossing the road and is perfectly normal.
Ever seen pictures and movies (yes, they exist) before cars were the norm? Streets were for people. People were not “crossing” the road, they walked on the road. People walked everywhere.
You and I have seen very different imagery then. I have not seen an image as you have described, yet I have seen many images of what I described. No bias in the search either “roads before cars existed”. Obviously I’ve just done it now to check if I was wrong.
Edit: https://hypergeometric.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/eastermorning1900nyc.jpg
https://blackcablondon.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/army-and-navy-store-1895-city-of-london.jpg
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc51b3a2f8abf02a00072d26b7bdfd00-lq
See above…
See my edit too.
Congratulations, you found three pictures of the two largest cities in Europe and the US at their time. Where there streets with mostly horse carriages? Yes. Where they the norm? No.
Why and when do you think traffic lights and zebra were invented. Why didn’t they exist before?
Also a depiction of how much of that space is actually paid for by car owners with registration fees. Someone has to pay the road fees to maintain all that walking space too.
Also to consider that the way the shops are build like that is because of cars not foot traffic. If it were a walking space that was explicitly built for walking and then was actually ‘surrendered’ to cars it would have been built quite differently to begin with. So it is far from accurate.
Also to consider that the way the shops are build like that is because of cars not foot traffic.
Aah, yes, all the European cities which were built way before the car and look like that were built because of cars 🤡
transit and emergency vehicles should be allowed to be there.
And no one, absolutely nobody, has said otherwise.
paid for by car owners.
Ah you sweet summer child. You still believe that cars actual finance the roads. Watch this video from 3:15 mark.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QPAil1xY42I&si=TF-H-0ugB33wAYT9
Man this sub is weird. i would block it but im kinda curious to see if it devolves into some kind of weird flat yearthy / vegany hybrid sub. god speed to you all, cuz you dont have cars i guess.
Plenty of regulars of this sub do have cars and no issue with using them, but instead just want cities to favor other methods of transportation. This would be a good example. Not sure what relation do you think any of this has to flat earthers.
It’s fine to be against cars and not use them. But then to be obsessed about it to the point you end up preaching it like hardcore vegans, it gets obnoxious and is counterproductive. The reason for the connection to flat earth is because there are plenty of valid conspiracy theories to be analysed (oil companies doing suspicious shit) and having seen multiple posts about how roads are not meant to exists indicates the early stages of a warped worldview. And i sont just mean “the current road structures are bad”, but rather it being porttayed as unnatural and therefore bad. Combining these factors makes me think these anti car communities are headed in that direction. But idk enough about it to know if it will happen, its just based on loose snippets i’ve seen from these communities.
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nah, ill just see what happens. i dont care enough about any of this to justify spending time defending my viewpoint. especially when the dude asking me to do so warps what im saying right out of the gate. good luck on your journey to ending cars
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Now do the hazards of transit in which you accurately depict how monorails have the potential for incredibly tragic death for people falling out of it if it’s overcrowded because ‘EMISSIONS’ cuz while we can talk public transport we better talk about the severely lacking supportive infrastructure for everyone going back to work when they could be perfectly fine working at home but oh no someone claimed we create just as much emissions staying at home but that is clearly ignoring that transit also creates emissions.
Which cities are building transit that one can fall out of?
The closest I have seen is the incredibly crowded tube lines in London, where one may be pushed out on a platform other than which they want
If you ever see a sign that says ‘don’t lean on door’ it actually means “don’t let people crowd so hard against you that you fall out the door” is more accurate of the scenario that happens. There are no bouncers on transit that can stop too many people getting on a vessel. There is also no limit on population. There is also no law stating “not everyone should show up at work at 9am exactly”
