I think it’s that if the switching fails, I’ll be left without any job and risk homelessness. And that the general narrative I hear is that “we should be grateful to have a job at all”.

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    Sounds pretty crazy. I’ve been super lucky to have some financial support from others while working part time and going to school. My workplace is unionised and after experiencing that I would never want to switch to a job that didn’t provide some employee protection of some kind. A better job to me is one that has the same level of protection and stability but with even more pay.

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    You just need to do it right. You only quit your job once you’ve signed the contract for the new one, for example.

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      never had a job that involves signing anything. Including when I was flipping burgers

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        Is that normal where you live? For me that sounds very bad, like you are not legally employed at all. So you may have no legal rights - sick leave, unemployment benefit, etc.

        Sounds like you have two problems.

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          Definitely my expirience too. I have worked crap jobs, good jobs, and everything in between, but have never signed a contract. Tax paper work, retirement paperwork, and all that just not a contract. The people I know who have, the contract restricted their rights rather than providing them.

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            Got it. So you are definitely legally employed. But still. Where is it written what your job is?

            Can your employer say now you have to clean the toilets, or work nights, and then fire you for not doing your job if you refuse?

            If you start managing the café or supervising people, you need your contract to be able to tell him “this is a promotion from my original job I need a new title and a pay rise now”.

            How do you know what you’re entitled to? If he says in the interview that you get sick days etc, you make sure that’s in the contract, or else he can change his mind of forget about that.

            The only downside is that it says I have to give notice before I leave. It says I can’t work a second job. It probably forbids lots of other things I wasn’t going to do anyway. On balance I’d much rather have one than not.

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              Since we last spoke, I signed a contract for a job where I was gonna get 30hrs/week, quit my other job and started working for this job. Boss told me today he doesn;t have enough work for me so my hours are cut to 15hrs/week. I get paid hourly. (So i’m screwed again financially atm, if you know some easy like remote job I could get into, let me know)

              I’m was hoping the paper contract would have prevented this from happening.

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                That’s a breach of contract. It’s illegal, unless the contract also says they are allowed to do that. Talk to an expert about it.

                Employers will test the waters to see what they can get away with. They can go on breaking the law for decades, until someone calls them up on it.

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                  It’s illegal, unless the contract also says they are allowed to do that

                  It does not

                  Talk to an expert about it.

                  If talking to an expert involves money, can’t afford it. Unless you mean like a gov labour bureau

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              My sweet summer child, let me tell you the story of poverty or peak capitalism jobs.

              Where is it written what your job is?

              No where

              Can your employer say now you have to clean the toilets, or work nights, and then fire you for not doing your job if you refuse?

              Yes

              How do you know what you’re entitled to? If he says in the interview that you get sick days etc, you make sure that’s in the contract, or else he can change his mind of forget about that.

              I don’t. It regularly happens that i’m told I will be paid like 10/hr then only get paid 9/hr. Regularly hired for part time and get given full time - 30 minutes to prevent me from receiving benefits. Regularly hired for full time and then given 10/hrs per week - then when i pick up a part time job, get fired from job number 1 for not having 100% availability.

              I’ve never worked a job that gives me sick days or vacation days or anything. When my coworkers had covid, they are ordered to come in anyway.

              The worst part is all my coworkers are ‘happy to even have a job at all’ that nobody wants to unionize, despite the fact that 90% of my coworkers agree that a union is beneficial.

              In contrast to @Slatlun i’ve rarely signed anything at jobs, except giving the boss my social insurance number - and even then that is only a sometimes.

              So you may have no legal rights

              So you may have no legal rights

              No may, definitely didn;t have any legal rights at a bunch of my jobs. A guy was killed by a machine at an old work place due to lack of safety equipment

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                My sweet summer child

                I was not expecting a post beginning with that, to be a serious, earnest, clear answer. It sounds horrific but I can’t offer any advice. This situation would be impossible in Europe. You wouldn’t believe how hard it is to fire someone incompetent, when he has a contract in a country with workers’ rights.

                Right now all you’re telling them is all hot air. Maybe you could try to find a unionised job, or even go work in a union, then tell all your co-workers how different it is. Their jealousy might motivate them.

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                  It probably happens in europe, many region that employ foreigners to work on farms have some pretty bad conditions.

                  Quick qwant search;

                  Farm worker injured after getting stuck in potato harvester - wales online

                  ’No running water’: foreign workers criticise UK farm labour scheme - The Guardian

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            Since we last spoke, I signed a contract for a job where I was gonna get 30hrs/week, quit my other job and started working for this job. Boss told me today he doesn;t have enough work for me so my hours are cut to 15hrs/week. I get paid hourly. (So i’m screwed again financially atm, if you know some easy like remote job I could get into, let me know)

            I’m was hoping the paper contract would have prevented this from happening.