Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Israel is responsible for that.
Everyone can always blame someone else, especially in this conflict. It’s time for Israel to grow up and take responsibility for its actions. They have caused harm, anger, and hatred by using terrorism (fear and violence) to enforce their rule over people. Somehow we (the US and most of the west) provide them with resources and weapons though. How fucked up is that?
Hamas has launched in the realm of 7000 rockets at Israel civilians since October 7. But hey, keep blaming it all on Israel. Lets make antisemitism cool again, you are doing your part already.
And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.
Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense. How can you read an article like the OP and just be completely empty inside? How broken are you?
An alternative? There are infinite. They can start cooperating and make a good will gesture of returning occupied lands back to the Palestinian people. They can stop colonizing and murdering innocent civilians (which isn’t only just now happening, it’s constant in occupied lands). They can loosen restriction on travel between Gaza and Israel.
The solution is to improve relations with the people. Attacking them and killing civilians only causes more hate, which causes more violence. It isn’t defence. It’s genocide. They get Hamas to attack and they get to kill more Palestinians.
They never tried that. They have been constantly expanding colonies and murdering civilians in occupied lands. The whole nation started with just some Jews colonizing the territory, and it was made official after that when they knew there was no stopping it (not that they would anyway). They did reduce their harm for a period, but they never really tried to do good.
Isreal is indiscriminately bombing civilian/Palestinian population centers and diving people out of their homes.*
A 48 hour WW2 era artillery barrages would flatten the Gaza Strip. Believing that Israel is “indiscriminately bombing” the strip requires you to believe that they’re the most incompetent military force to have ever walked the planet.
They clearly have a regard for civilian casualties. That’s why they haven’t hit some mosques, schools and other buildings that are known to be seats of Hamas’ power.
That’s probably what they would like to do in their fantasies – make Gazans gtfo from that general area – but given their inefficiency of doing it, I don’t really know what’s going on. You don’t “ethnically cleanse” a rapidly growing population of 2 million by killing a few thousand here and there.
Their birth rate is about 24/1000, so about 50000 new children are born there every year.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say showing these pictures. What is the context? How many terrorists and terrorist equipment was destroyed? Why did Israel attack these areas? Do you know any of these things?
Everyone can always blame someone else, especially in this conflict. It’s time for Israel to grow up and take responsibility for its actions. They have caused harm, anger, and hatred by using terrorism (fear and violence) to enforce their rule over people. Somehow we (the US and most of the west) provide them with resources and weapons though. How fucked up is that?
Hamas has launched in the realm of 7000 rockets at Israel civilians since October 7. But hey, keep blaming it all on Israel. Lets make antisemitism cool again, you are doing your part already.
And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.
Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense. How can you read an article like the OP and just be completely empty inside? How broken are you?
For one, they don’t.
And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.
But keep listening to that Hamas propaganda it’s totally not rotting your brain away.
An alternative? There are infinite. They can start cooperating and make a good will gesture of returning occupied lands back to the Palestinian people. They can stop colonizing and murdering innocent civilians (which isn’t only just now happening, it’s constant in occupied lands). They can loosen restriction on travel between Gaza and Israel.
The solution is to improve relations with the people. Attacking them and killing civilians only causes more hate, which causes more violence. It isn’t defence. It’s genocide. They get Hamas to attack and they get to kill more Palestinians.
They tried that, didn’t work, each time they were meet with more Hamas terrorism. What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative?
They never tried that. They have been constantly expanding colonies and murdering civilians in occupied lands. The whole nation started with just some Jews colonizing the territory, and it was made official after that when they knew there was no stopping it (not that they would anyway). They did reduce their harm for a period, but they never really tried to do good.
They did, in the Gaza Strip which has no colonies, self rule and the 1967 borders. In the mid 2000s. They evicted every Jew from the Gaza strip
What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative? Or are you already out of ideas?
Only Hamas is doing that, though.
Isreal is indiscriminately bombing civilian population centers and diving out people based on ethnicity.
What Isreal is doing absolutely falls under the category of genocide.
Kill civilians is indefensible.
A 48 hour WW2 era artillery barrages would flatten the Gaza Strip. Believing that Israel is “indiscriminately bombing” the strip requires you to believe that they’re the most incompetent military force to have ever walked the planet.
When I say “indiscriminate” I mean “disregard for civilian casualties” not “random bombings”.
They clearly have a regard for civilian casualties. That’s why they haven’t hit some mosques, schools and other buildings that are known to be seats of Hamas’ power.
People who bomb civilian areas do not care about civilians casualties.
These two things are mutually exclusive
You’re "um ackshually"ing genocide. Reconsider your life.
I don’t support genocide in any way, shape, or form, but rather don’t buy into the narrative that Israel is at all committing genocide.
There’s lots to be upset with Israel about without exaggerating to literally the worst thing possible.
https://www.youtube.com/live/xfc0nHLgDuY?si=8P-MddAIFXsFt-mA
Did you just link me fucking IDF?
They’ve been bombing civilian centers that they know are predominantly of Palestinian ethnicity.
They’ve been evicting people from their homes based on ethnicity. The law gives Isrealis preferences in land disputes.
And now they’re telling everyone in Gaza to abandon their homes.
These are three different actions.
WhyI see your confusion now.
They’re doing the latter because of the former, not as an organized and permanent method of displacement.
Hamas attempts to pen people in with threats of violence (and acts of violence) in an attempt to maximize civilian casualties as well.
https://lemmy.world/comment/4827329
Some helpful watching
https://www.youtube.com/live/xfc0nHLgDuY?si=8P-MddAIFXsFt-mA
Yeah right
Would you prefer we call what Israel is doing ethnic cleansing instead?
That’s probably what they would like to do in their fantasies – make Gazans gtfo from that general area – but given their inefficiency of doing it, I don’t really know what’s going on. You don’t “ethnically cleanse” a rapidly growing population of 2 million by killing a few thousand here and there.
Their birth rate is about 24/1000, so about 50000 new children are born there every year.
This is over just 11 days and is about a week old. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html
Tell me again how you don’t ethnically cleanse again??
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I have no idea what you’re trying to say showing these pictures. What is the context? How many terrorists and terrorist equipment was destroyed? Why did Israel attack these areas? Do you know any of these things?
You are a moron if you can’t figure out that this is not what “targeted” bombing that values civilian lives looks like. Honestly.
Why did you start counting at October 7th? Palestine, Hamas, and Israel have existed much longer and been in conflict much longer.
Last I saw, which was before this conflict, Israel has killed 27 (I think, maybe 23 or something around there) Palestinians for every Israeli killed.
Is that a reliable figure?
It was UN data. I assume it’s as reliable as it can be. I’ll try to find it again.
Edit: 22.4x here.
All right, thank you for the source. It indeed seems reliable.
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What happened in 2014 and 2018?
Yes.
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