Israel knew who Netanyahu was when they elected him.

Hamas was never elected as sole leadership in Palestine. They never won a plurality of votes, ever.

They formed a unity government, then fought the other government, usurped control, and cancelled elections forever.

20 years ago. Around half of today’s population didn’t vote and of the ones that did many didn’t vote for hamas. Find a new way to blame innocent people, this one doesn’t work.

50% of the persons living in palestina are under 18

Edit: had a stroke

The article clearly states “advocate for Palestinians, then Hamas came for her” like it’s some “voting for the face eating leopards” situation. It’s a valid distinction. Also, no, the Israeli army isn’t all Israelis.

no it’s not, where the fuck did I wrote that?

where did he say that?

sick of you fuckers not letting people feel complexly about this. fuck off

So then Israel (not it’s people, but the military) know exactly who they murder now? So when they now and in the past murder civilians there’s also no excuse?

1. I didn’t know that about the safe rooms, thank you for the context.
2. The article states she lived “right next to the security fence” and while I’m sure it’s within the border that still doesn’t mean it’s a great place to build. Nobody said it was a settlement.
3. There’s no excusing the attack, rationalizing who they attacked or how they went about it. Again thank you for pointing this out because it highlights that this was either an indiscriminate attack against anyone and anything Israeli or that they were purposely trying to spoil the sentiment of those who would speak out against what now comes after. Were they just that diabolical or was it an attack of opportunity in terms of location and defense? You tell me.

Edit: also, aside from all that. I’m truly sorry this happened to your country and your people. I wish you all peace and an end to the bloodshed.

“It wasn’t a settlement at all.”

Your entire country is a settlement.

There are Palestinians that are older than your “state”.

The raping allegations stuff doesn’t make sense. Imagine you are in an attack. Bullet flying, and you stop to rape someone.

Usually these things happen in occupied territory over time noy during the time of taking over.

Moving a city is quite the feat compared to just not building houses blocks from a military DMZ

It’s not like you have a lot of options in a small country.

People in South Korea are not regularly bombed in rocket attacks, SK does not require houses have steel-reinforced concrete bunkers.

The last time a North Korean killed a South Korean was a long time ago, I don’t know that I would call these situations comparable.

If NK did start shelling Seoul and attacking civilians near the DMZ, that would legitimately be unexpected.

It’s a common misconception that Israel and Palestine were created post WW2 but the roots go all the way back to turn of the 20th century. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

People like to blame America for all things, but this region has been under conflict and conquest for literally thousands of years. It was controlled at points by Egypt, Babylon, Assyrians and Persia, In biblical times it was essentially tribal (Israelites, canaanites, samaratins, philistines who were in conflict with israelites…) until the Roman Empire took over. Then Rome broke up into two and it become part of the (Eastern Roman) Byzantine Empire, then after Muhammad’s death it was conquered by the Muslim Caliphate, then taken under control of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire. Religiously it has been Jewish, Christian and Muslim and I think has historical significance to all 3. I’m sure I’ve left a bunch of stuff out because I’m no historian.

It’s one of the most complicated and protracted conflicts in history, and the people who want to make this out to be simple are either plain dumb or have some kind of alterior motive.

WWII will continue to shape the history of the world for generations to come.

It still begs the question.

Who would want to buy real estate and settle into a home right next to a militarized border that separates you from a country that has many individuals that want to murderously destroy you and your entire family? In an area that might at any time turn into a war zone?

And it’s not like they are talking about cheap real estate either

The new houses, each sitting on a 500 square meter (5,380 square foot) plot, go for between NIS 1.2 million ($335,000) for 90 square meters (970 square feet) to NIS 1.8 million ($500,000) for 180 square meters (1,940 square feet).

By comparison, a 94 square meter (1,012 square foot) first floor apartment in Rishon LeZion in central Israel sold last week for NIS 1.96 million ($546,000) while a 184 square meter (1,980 square foot) house with a 247 square meter (2,660 square foot) garden sold in the same city for NIS 2.7 million ($752,500), according to the Globes business newspaper.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-rockets-arson-balloons-israeli-communities-on-gaza-border-keep-growing/

If I had access to half a million dollars to purchase or invest in real estate … I wouldn’t want to invest in a location that could be destroyed by war or risk me and my family to violence or death.

Israel doesn’t have a right to exist, but the Hebrews have a right to live on the land and to defend themselves from attack. The problem comes from people refusing to accept that Palestinians have a right to live there too and to defend themselves from attack too.

The borders have to come down, a new South Levantine Confederation must be established with equal rights, freedom of movement, and an absolute ban on supremacism and separatism as unassailable, reparations to all war victims must be paid out of a combined fund taken from Israel, Hamas, and the Fatah, and Northern Israel which features thriving mixed demographic communities must be used as a model to integrate the rest of the new state peacefully.

By cutting off food, electricity, water, and escape from their concentration camp? Doing that to 2 million people is “defending itself”? This is genocide.

That’s quite literally not what they said. You’ll get better responses if you don’t argue against what people are not saying.

If you’ve paid attention to the conflict in the region and you’re intelligent, yes, I would expect one to anticipate such a group could carry out such monterous acts.

Atrocities like this happen all over the world all the time. There’s just differing levels of media coverage/social interest.

This should sicken and disgust people to their core. But it really shouldn’t be surprising for a terrorist organization to commit evil acts.

Before all the crazies jump to conclusions about me, I don’t support Isreal’s expansionism or ethnic cleansing or Hamas and their terror attacks.

I agree … It’s absolutely atrocious.

But if you have a crazy person threatening to kill you or your family, do you just ignore that and believe that they will never carry through with their threat? How about if that person or group of people shouted that threat in a regular basis for years? Would you want to build your house next to them?

There’s a reason why there are laws against uttering threats.

None of the death and destruction is justified, it’s absolutely abismal that humanity can sink this low but both sides are guilty of fanatical followers that want the other side dead.

In the context of the hatred and fanaticism, we shouldn’t be surprised at the violence.

The problem with that argument is that the Israelis have also voted for the fascist, corrupt leader Netanyahu who needed to change the law to not land in prison and completely failed to protect Israel or to deescalate the situation in any way. You wouldn’t want to justify the killing of Israeli civilians either, so you shouldn’t try and do that with Palestinian ones.

I voted for a way different party in 2006 than I do now. Opinions change.

Things can change a lot in nearly 20 years.

That was a looong time ago. And it was also during the middle of a conflict involving the entire region, Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon. Israel was ruthless and went on a murderous rampage against all these countries.

You understand that was 20 years ago right?

Half their current adult population werent even capable of voting 20 years ago.

Right? It’s just too convenient.

No I guess you’re right. I mean if they represented no one, there wouldn’t be a Hamas. But I’m fairly certain that’s a minority. The rest, the regular people, just want peace and a normal life.

Because they control the infrastructure, hospitals etc. This is the result of Israel assassinating other political leaders and funding Hamas. Netanyahu and the Mossad did it on purpose. Its their own fault.

Pootie was elected in a land slide in Russia. Kimie was Elected unanimously in North Korea. Pooh Bear, oops, sorry, Xi was elected by a large majority. Nyet 'n Yahoo was voted into power by a good margin. Fat Joffrey was elected by mostly empty land. None of those leaders represent anyone but themselves.

You are simply trying to justify your bigotry.

Netanyahu funded Hamas against the PLO to stop the two state solution. Fault lies for most things with Israel and the Mossad.

This thread is conflating support with “savior complex”. Black people, women, LGBTQ, etc. Don’t need a savior. An ally or supporter is not a savior figure.

The problem is that a lot of these Israeli “supporters” want to project the idea that the Palestinians need to be saved. Sometimes as a product of complex self-hatred and historical guilt. Sometimes out of a superiority complex, where they see themselves as the righteous vessel to save humanity. Which is actually a hurtful stance to those who need support and help the most.

Then, you’ll notice that the comment above explicitly says, “those with an inferiority complex”. Not all humans are the same. I bet that most Palestinians are grateful for any external help they can get, given the conditions they’re on. But it only takes one religious nutjob radicalizing young men to promote this kind of hateful mindset to others.

Finally, not all allies are made the same. As an LGBTQ person myself, I can accurately tell you that not every self-proclaimed ally is accepted. There’s self-righteous assholes who want to project themselves as saviors or that try to instrumentalize the Queer movement for political clout. There are predators who use their ally stance to access victims for abuse and exploitation. You might think “well, they are no true allies if…” but that’s not what this point is about. The truth is that not all self-appointed allies will be automatically accepted as such, and the marginalized and oppressed people are 100% in their right to decline or denounce ally status to whoever they feel like it.

Settlers in illegal settlements on land seized from occupied People.

Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing your country is doing active ethnic cleansing man.