• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    But just letting people have housing if they want would already massively help so many people.

    The argument that because not all of them want a house so we shouldn’t do it, is literally just the perfect being the enemy of good.

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      1 year ago

      it’s not that simple, the biggest argument is that the core of the problem that made someone homeless is still there.

      if you made someone obese fit with swish-and-flick of a magic wand, they would end up fat again in a couple of years, because being fit is much more than just having muscles instead of fat.

      I’m not saying that every homeless is in the same situation of course, but you have to fix the problem that let them spiral down before trying to fix the problem by just throwing money at it.

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      1 year ago

      I never said we shouldn’t do it. I said that some unhoused don’t want to be housed so the solution isn’t that simple.

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        1 year ago

        To add another layer of complexity, if all the most visible of the homeless - the crazy, the drug addicts, etc - were to vanish overnight, we would immediately stop caring about the remaining “good homeless” because they don’t impact our daily lives.

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          I think I’m missing something. How would offerring housing result in the visible homeless disappearing and not the invisible/“good” homeless? The housing is being offered to both, right?

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            I’m giving a hypothetical scenario that’s not directly related to the concept of offering housing.

            My point was that we need solutions for both the visible and invisible homeless, though the current drive for solutions is almost entirely because of the visible homeless.

            And I was saying that to illustrate the complexity of the situation.

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          1 year ago

          So just admit that your real issue is you don’t want to see unkempt people consuming hard drugs on the streets, and address that instead of pretending this is mainly about homeless people.

          Housed people will do that shit, too, you know.

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        1 year ago

        This is a non-issue. The solution IS that simple, actually. Give anyone who does want a home a home. If the others don’t want a home well that’s on them. Kinda throwing out the baby with the bathwater saying it’s not so easy because it won’t solve every problem for everyone.

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            1 year ago

            I’ll agree that it requires immense public buy in, that’s part of why I’m as passionate and emphatic about it as I am. For sure it’s going to require some changing minds.

            When I said non-issue, I’m talking from the perspective of societal problems. A person who wants housing and does not have it is an issue regardless of how. A person who does not want housing and does not have housing is a non-issue. They’re living in a way I don’t necessarily think is best, but they’re living how they want.

            As far as bussing goes, that’s just a shit practice by a shit group. Not really relevant to the broader discussion of solving homelessness. That NIMBY attitude is definitely part of the public buy in that needs to be addressed.