Posted this 3 months ago when I’d thought things had gotten bad enough. Boy, was I wrong.
Seems there is no bottom.
Too bad it’s missing her next line, it’s another hard-hitter:
Worf, you are the most honorable and decent man I’ve ever met, and if you’re willing to tolerate men like Gowron, then what hope is there for the Empire?
“We think we’ve come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it’s all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again.”
I think about Earth Alliance President Clark a lot nowadays.
There’s some really poignant lines about following illegal orders. If you like DS9 and don’t like what’s happening under the current US government I implore you to watch Babylon 5.
Spoilers, and the clip hits so much harder when you’ve watched the build-up, but if you need convincing here’s a small sample about how topical this show still is.
If you really need convincing here’s one of the best speeches regarding invasion I’ve ever seen.
Trump definitely strikes me as the “goes scorched earth when he’s cornered” type. All the oligarchs do. There is no enlightenment at the end of their evil journey, only hatred and spite for having it ended.
I completely agree. His spectre will likely haunt us long after he’s gone. Hatred and spite will be his legacy as well, so we have to do what we can to eradicate those symptoms.
Thanks for the reminder to watch Bab5. It’s been on the backlog for ages. Might be time.
Watch it. It will drag slightly a few seasons in but is still worth it. Then you get to see how it isn’t the same show at all. Also you get more memes!
I’m a bit trek-curious (mostly because you nerds always pop up on my feed). Can I watch DS9 with little to no context?
Yes. There are a couple characters who show up that were introduced in Next Generation, but you don’t need to know them from that to appreciate them.
Absolutely!
Babylon 5 is hands down the best sci-fi tv show.
It hits hard with poignant reminders and leaves you laughing like a maniac at the same time. (The Hokey Pokey scene is legendary.)
It was a good show though it irks me that one of the major premises for the setting is that an advanced (later portrayed as wise) elder race just assumed some uncontacted aliens must have the exact same social norms they do and then initiated a genocide over a single incident with no further attempts at contact.
I ended up liking the Centauri simply because they’re at least very relatable assholes who actually seem to appreciate alien cultures despite being an imperalistic society.
Watching now and the minbari do NOT come off as wise. They try really hard to look that way though. Reminds me of Japan tbh.
They’re basically like the elves in Tolkien’s world: they’re the elder race that is wise in a lot of ways, but also have a lot of flaws.
The Cemtauri are just white colonizers and it’s not even subtle. E.g. ICE eating at a Mexican restaurant before arresting the staff or Southern slave owners banging their slaves.
Eh, best is subjective, mine changes often and I like that. Top Five (or at least ten) probably for the vasty majority if they see it, writing, acting and production are outstanding, concept rocks. As our society has been influenced, Star Trek (especially TOS & TNG) has the high ground IMO, and maybe that’s a good thing, hope is needed and B5 is not foremost that, it’s a damn good story. If you like scifi TV and haven’t seen it, do, no ifs or buts.
I happen to be doing a rewatch currently and I am reminded to recommend The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5 as an accompaniment to your watch, it captures the 90’s internet fan experience brilliantly.
I’m currently on my first watch of Babylon 5 and just finished season 2 yesterday. I didn’t check out the first clip for spoiler reasons but I agree about the second one with Londo.
I’m a bit jealous that you get to watch it for the first time haha. Season 2 & 3 are my absolute favorites, so enjoy!
Thank you! So far I’m liking it a lot.
I dont think watching something else is the action this post wants us to think about.
So should I have only responded by linking an assassination video? DS9 and B5 are closely linked for many reasons and B5 has an actual Earth v Earth conflict that mirrors our present day. I’m not sure how to respond to this comment except to ask; what did you find so lacking in my original response?
The call to action was to go watch something
I ask again; what did you want from my comment?
Yeah except you’d be asking me this for the first time.
Just a simple link: https://dn720702.ca.archive.org/0/items/Simplesabotage/Simplesabotage.pdf
You don’t have to be Worf to help keep Star Trek in our future.
First, I did ask twice. I haven’t edited my comments so you’re free to reread them. Secondly, I’m not sure what I did to make you think I pissed in your Cheerios. We’re on the same page. I never said you had to be Worf in this scenario as that’s completely unrealistic. I was sharing a similar show that included a multi year story line about resisting home grown fascism.
I’m sorry I didn’t pass your purity test while commenting in a science fiction community.
I just thought it funny the content of the post is like “kill your terrible leaders” and your suggestion was just such a contrast to what is going on outside lol
So you’re done learning? Cool, now step aside and be quiet while someone else learns something.
Thats a lot of words I didnt say
That’s not even a lot of words. Am I talking to a bot?
If you read my other reply I linked reading material. I think I am okay with learning regardless of your assumptions.
Challenging politicians to a duel to the death is actually the official method of removing them under Klingon law. So clearly the lesson here is that the system works.
I’m pretty out of shape but I think I could probably beat Trump in hand-to-hand combat.
Take care, he may emit a cloud of noxious gas.
Isn’t that the case every time he speaks?
Or moves, apparently.
He’d be like a rhino, just keep him moving for a minute or two without stopping and he’ll keel over.
“Any resemblance to real life situations or personalities is merely accidental.”
Warf had honor
And many ships
…but… killing gowron didn’t save the empire tho.
What?
He removed corruption from the Klingon government after becoming Chancellor, and held the job for at least 5 years and was well regarded… circa 2380.
The Klingon Empire continued for another 600 years until The Burn in the 31st century.
What kind of measure of success is this? A political action has to endure for all time or it failed?
Nb: for those of us who don’t enjoy Kurtzman Trek and dismiss it, its still going.
I bet dollars-to-doughnuts that if we offered @mskellymhayes.bsky.social a firearm for her to do the deed for us, she would wimp out and say violence isn’t the answer.
Push-comes-to-shove, Leftists are unwilling to commit violence, yet spread it as much as the Right does.
Violent rhetoric is how the Rightwing MAGA extremist dipshits gained power in the first place, but the differenceis that unfortunately they actually arent afraid to commit violence because they ALL have ZERO empathy.
Shooting Trump would do nothing to dismantle the system. There is a fundamental difference between libs whom think social ills are the fault of bad ideas or bad people and the left who look at the systems.
