cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/3977938
“While Kremlin officials argue that they are “saving” the children by removing them from their homes, international watchdogs have called the forcible removal of Ukrainian kids — including infants as young as four months old — a war crime.”
Russia did invade the Ukraine, they are killing Ukraine citizens and stealing their children. Russia started this war because Putin thought it would be easy to just take the country. Russia was mistaken. Ukraine, a democracy and has the right to defend itself from the Russian invaders. All facts, and no propaganda.
Siding with Russia is wrong. Simple.
Putin was counting on Trump being reelected. Trump would have turned a blind eye to the whole thing.
All of these are valid points, but you can omit the “the” when talking about Ukraine. “The Ukraine” is quite an archaic expression and has been a major talking point for several years now to just call the country “Ukraine”. There’s a similar problem in Ukrainian and Russian where people are encouraged to adjust their language too.
Except everybody does know what happens to them. Russia, and particularly Russian soldiers, are known for a very specific type of behavior regarding minors.
At one point earlier in the war, I dug around and came across some content of what some Russians were doing.
I will not go into more detail. Suffice to say: even the written accounts are pure, uncut, howlingly insane nightmare fuel that will make you want to simultaneously sob in catatonic horror and craw out of your own skin. The pure, unadulterated malice and joyous cruelty exhibited by and perpetuated by entire swaths of the Russian military towards civilian non-combatants of all ages (and I do mean all ages) - and the additional fact that their own command structure and officers flat out do not care that these things are happening - simply beggars belief. If you value your mental health, be careful that you don’t look too far into this stuff. I have had trouble sleeping from time to time after some of the things I’ve seen and read.
If you want the diet version that doesn’t make you want to pull your eyes out quite that hard, just check out the reams of documentation and content on the culture and background of hazing and abuse in the Russian military. Allowing that shit to become endemic to your armed forces is how you get a military where unambiguous crimes against humanity are considered “just war things”.
Also, all that stuff is why I struggle mightily to control urges to beat the absolute shit out of anyone who spouts off with the Russian line about “Ukranian Nazis”, or any other Russian apologia or propaganda.
I feel like i need to know more about this, is there a few links you can share
If you time-constrain your search to like the first 3-4 months of the war, you’ll have some hits. Particularly, stories from Bucha and a lot of the surrounding towns - that was an early hotspot for that sort of shit.
Apologies, but I’m not going to link anything, because that would require me to find the same articles that were so harrowing in the first place and that would likely send me into a very dark headspace that I do not want to be in right now.
I mean, Ukraine was and remains problematic in some respects, but to cite that as justification for what Russia has done is beyond bad faith.
Russia is super fucked up for what they’ve done to Ukraine. Please don’t think I’m at all defending Russia. It’s just that 2 things can be true at once
Wow, never thought I’d be wishing for Ukrainian kids to be brainwashed into becoming orcs, but the alternative you suggest is downright awful.
I think we all know what is happening to them.
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I hope groups are organizing, along the lines of the post-WWII Nazi hunters. These scum need to understand that they will be hunted for the rest of their miserable lives and held to account.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An estimate from the Yale School of Public Health puts the number of Ukrainian children that have been displaced or deported since the war began in the hundreds of thousands, including at least 6,000 who have been held in a series of Russian camps and ordered to undergo “re-education” programs to make their personal and political views more pro-Russia.
Russia operates at least 43 known facilities dedicated to providing “re-education,” military training, and pro-Russia academic instruction to Ukrainian children forcibly removed from their homes, the Yale report indicated.
Children who have been rescued from the camps describe being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem repeatedly, and being lied to and told their parents had abandoned them, according to firsthand accounts collected by the “Children of War” project compiled by Ukraine’s Ministry of Reintegration of Temporarily Occupied Territories, established in 2016 following Russia’s annexation of Crimea.
In recent months, UN representatives of multiple countries have echoed Biden’s outrage, including Japan, China, the United Arab Emirates, and Albania.
Ferit Hoxa, Albania’s representative to the UN, called the deportations “an audacious bid to dismantle its future” of Ukraine, adding that Moscow “has failed to convince the world that its re-education camps and forced adoptions are, as portrayed, humanitarian actions” in an August statement.
Russia, which does not recognize the court’s authority, called the move meaningless and on Monday opened its own criminal cases against ICC prosecutors and judges, Politico reported.
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Why do all these articles sound like propaganda? They are all going for the emotional reaction to make people see Russia as the new enemy of the world. Are we being prepped for a new World War so bankers and elites can make more money?
Yesterday it was how Russia is raping 80 year olds.
I used to wonder why people ignored Nazi crimes until it was too late. But thanks to people like you, now I understand better the class of idiot that led to it
Russian sympathizer can go fuck itself.
Slava Ukrainia, Glory to the heros.
Every new generation is this stupid I guess. I guess it’s no point explaining how propaganda works to you.
Go put some sunflower seeds in your pockets and join your friends.
Funny how there are reports of waves of Russian propaganda coming to muddy the message and suddenly we have fools like this claiming that Russia kidnapping children sounds illogical and far fetched.
Enjoy your future, Nazi bitch. Russia made itself the enemy of the world, it doesnt need help in doing so.
There’s literal video evidence of Russian soldiers raping, pillaging and killing civilians. Putin and any Russian supporting him can die in a ball of fire.
Box cutter video. Nuff said.
i dunno, lead poisoning sounds fun too
Ahh, but you’re immune, right? Because you’re special and Very Smart.
Fucking clown shoes.
I dunno. There’s lots of Ukrainian refugees in North America, we can ask them directly if they’re here for fake reasons or real reasons.
Here, 🔴 you dropped this. 🤡 🤡
Why do all these articles sound like propaganda?
Probably because you haven’t been paying attention to this shit happening the whole war, or don’t want to recognize how shitty Russia is and is behaving.
They are all going for the emotional reaction to make people see Russia as the new enemy of the world.
Actually, Russia is trying to make Russia the enemy of the world by illegally invading Ukraine and trying to genocide (this is literally Article II point e, but it’s easy to make arguments for most of the other points) it’s people.
Yesterday it was how Russia is raping 80 year olds.
Sounds like Russia is a shit hole and is only exporting suffering into the country they’re trying to take over and destroy it’s people.
This is what reporting on a genocide looks like. There’s no way to put a happy face on an imperial power trying to wipe an ethnic group and their culture off the face of the Earth as part of a war of conquest.
I think you forgot to put the Echo signs around (((Bankers and Elites))) or is that not the meta anymore?
Don’t follow meta… All wars are for profits and population reduction.
Is the new meta to just ignore that people are calling you a Nazi and just carry on with the talking points? It’s not a good meta. It just makes you look stupid.
All wars are for profits and population reduction.
as in russian War for land and wealth in Ukraine…so that story about all the Ukraine nazis is false, good to know you’ve escaped your propaganda tank.
Please excuse us while we cheer for the side that’s getting invaded.
Population reduction: the thing that makes capitalists/ruling class more money! /s
There is literally no economic reason why the ruling class would want a population reduction. They make enough money from the defense contracts awarded during war time. Having their working class get killed is counter productive to their end goals.
If they didn’t want anti-russia propaganda, maybe they shouldn’t go around invading other countries?
In case you’re still confused: Russia is historically culturally and morally bankrupt. They have a centuries long history of betrayal, government sponsored alcoholism, war crimes, and normalized brutality.
It’s not propaganda. It’s just facts.
What do you define as propaganda? Does it need to be untrue or misleading? Because this article and many others regarding Russia are true and not misleading, but still does accomplish a geopolitical purpose of decreasing the credibility and influence of Russia.
They’re a tankie trying to derail the conversation into “Russia isn’t that bad, it’s just propaganda”.
I come from another thread where another bullshitter is propping up the only talking point they have, that it’s all Western propaganda and that I should hate the US because they said so. They couldn’t handle being asked for reliable sources and is now resorting to insults. They’re so transparent and unimaginative, I can’t.
Yeah, it intentionally confuses the untrue or misleading definition of propaganda with the anything that promotes interests is propaganda definition.
“Oh no! Stop posting facts! It makes me uncomfortable!”
-You
Ow, my eyes, I think I’ve rolled them a little too hard
People who rape 80-year-olds can’t also rape children. That’s in the rapist handbook.
