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    Speaking of the headline, politicians when encouraged to attempt peace through negotiation rather than insisting on decisive victory being the only way

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      If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. And Russia is more likely to try again in another neighbor. Like they have multiple times already.

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      Letting Russia consolidate its territorial gains, build bases and continue the war in a few years is a terrible idea. They are more than welcome to turn their tanks around and leave Ukraine.

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        Ooh, big tough guy brave enough to be against peace and diplomacy in badly translated Ukrainian!

        Just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been a “Russian warship” nor have I ever been on the side of the war criminal Putin.

        “You’re either with us and declare our warlike methods perfect or you’re with the enemy” was bullshit when Dubya said a simplified version of it in the early 2000s and it’s not any more true now.

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          The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.

          How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.

          The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich cunts here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.

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            "Oh, the Ukrainians wanted to be closer to the more prosperous and democratic West instead of being with us perpetually mopey, subservient-to-dictators Russians?! How dare the Ukrainians decide for their own sovereignty! We should punish and genocide them for exercising their own autonomy! Us Russians know what is better for our little brothers! We’re totally not insecure gits who long for the good old days of having a powerful empire! The only ones to blame for Russia’s loss of prestige and embarrassing military losses are the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians put this upon themselves!

            –totally not a bot larping as W*sterner

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            The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.

            The translator detected it as Ukrainian, not my fault I don’t speak either language, contrary to your childish insinuations 🤷

            How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.

            I agree that it said a lot that I just calmy corrected you while lightly mocking your tough guy act rather than let your nonsense bother me.

            The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich cunts here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.

            You know that’s exactly what pro-Russian Ukrainians who are ACTUALLY cheering for Putin’s war say, right?

            Neither you, nor the victims of war nor the perpetrators of war get to decide what I think about war. That’s not how ideology works.

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              I’m not gonna do a quote war on a nice Saturday afternoon. I’ll just say this: fuck putin and fuck his dumb fucking war. If you disagree with that I hope you’ll come to your senses on your own, since I can’t force you