I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
Only assholes don’t tip their bartenders when they know it is the primary way they make rent.
I am against tipping culture. I have repeated this in a dozen comments. But not tipping does not end tipping culture or hurt businesses. It only hurts the person serving you.
If you go to places where tips are expected then it is on you to pay a tip. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to bars. You can save plenty of money drinking at home with friends. But to avail yourself of those services and then refuse to uphold the part of the bargain we are all aware of is trashy.
You hate tipping culture so much you refuse to participate, but not so much that you won’t give those establishments your money? Please. Splitting hairs over specific cases doesn’t change the ridiculous entitlement that comes with this position. You know what is expected, you know these people depend on it, yet you refuse. That’s a selfish move. Do not try to sell it as some generous action in a great struggle to end tipping culture or whatever fairytale you choose. We both know you don’t believe that it solves the problem.
Did I say I don’t tip at all? No, I said I tip for exceptional service as it should be. You handing me a beer from behind the counter that requires zero effort on your part does not deserve a tip. You pouring me a coffee does not deserve a tip. Also the hypocrisy of calling me entitled while these people think I should be supplementing their income for doing the bare minimum is laughable. If you are not getting paid enough and you require the kindness of strangers to pay your rent then you need to find a better job with stable income. Strike if you have to. Don’t sit here and try to guilt trip people into to paying your wages and then when we do tip you complain it’s not enough.
Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
No, as I explained in my very first reply, bars are part of the full service model, like sit-down restaurants. Full service establishments get tips.
Coffee shops are a pickup model, like fast food. Pickup establishments get tip jars.
As I said, if I’m at a bar using the pickup model, I don’t tip. If I’m at a coffee shop using the full service model, I tip. But I’ve never been at such a coffee shop, so the point is moot.
Find me one and I’ll gladly tip. I tip based on service model, which is 100% consistent.
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No I don’t, why the fuck would I tip someone for handing me a beer?
I think that was exactly their point.
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I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding fast food?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding bars?
There’s your answer.
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
Only assholes don’t tip their bartenders when they know it is the primary way they make rent.
I am against tipping culture. I have repeated this in a dozen comments. But not tipping does not end tipping culture or hurt businesses. It only hurts the person serving you.
If you go to places where tips are expected then it is on you to pay a tip. If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to bars. You can save plenty of money drinking at home with friends. But to avail yourself of those services and then refuse to uphold the part of the bargain we are all aware of is trashy.
You hate tipping culture so much you refuse to participate, but not so much that you won’t give those establishments your money? Please. Splitting hairs over specific cases doesn’t change the ridiculous entitlement that comes with this position. You know what is expected, you know these people depend on it, yet you refuse. That’s a selfish move. Do not try to sell it as some generous action in a great struggle to end tipping culture or whatever fairytale you choose. We both know you don’t believe that it solves the problem.
Did I say I don’t tip at all? No, I said I tip for exceptional service as it should be. You handing me a beer from behind the counter that requires zero effort on your part does not deserve a tip. You pouring me a coffee does not deserve a tip. Also the hypocrisy of calling me entitled while these people think I should be supplementing their income for doing the bare minimum is laughable. If you are not getting paid enough and you require the kindness of strangers to pay your rent then you need to find a better job with stable income. Strike if you have to. Don’t sit here and try to guilt trip people into to paying your wages and then when we do tip you complain it’s not enough.
At this point, almost everywhere I order from has a tip line.
They’ll just ignore you the next time if you tip like shit
Or in their case, not at all.
Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
That’s a lot of caveats. So you’re saying there are situations where you’ll walk into a bar, buy a beer, and not tip?
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you always tip?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
No, as I explained in my very first reply, bars are part of the full service model, like sit-down restaurants. Full service establishments get tips.
Coffee shops are a pickup model, like fast food. Pickup establishments get tip jars.
As I said, if I’m at a bar using the pickup model, I don’t tip. If I’m at a coffee shop using the full service model, I tip. But I’ve never been at such a coffee shop, so the point is moot.
Find me one and I’ll gladly tip. I tip based on service model, which is 100% consistent.