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Just because some people will break rules doesn’t mean we throw our hands up and say ok then no rules.

Please show me where I said that. Because I can point to several times where I offered more nuanced approaches. It’s like you aren’t even reading my comments.

But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming

Well that’s an anecdote which I can easily counter with my own: We all immediately got around any firewalls the school had (which were a joke, you just browsed the right path and basically got around it) and played game and all sorts of nonsense at school.

Smartphones are here. Ban them all you want, kids get around it. Build a faraday cage, and your next active shooter gets extra time to do their work as teachers hunt for a landline. The list of cons vastly outweighs the pros. Hell just have a damn basket kids drop their phones in when they come into class. That’s still better than this nonsense.

Prohibition culture is generally a bad idea. You can’t tell kids “don’t have sex.” You do proper sex ed. You can’t block all signals out of a school, you create consequences for continued undesired usage and teach kids responsibility. As the original comment said: https://kbin.social/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/443382/Why-must-we-be-done-this-way#entry-comment-2266000

Your line of thinking is what leads to rampant banning and garbage blanket solutions instead of education.

Oh yeah because clearly I misinterpreted you. It can’t possibly be that maybe something is flawed in what you wrote. The only logical explanation is I lack a basic grasp of the English language. Got it.

You could use a little more humility.

I’m sorry - computers and the Internet are “just tools” but smart phones are not? Do I really need to unpack that?

That doesn’t even make sense in context of what I said. Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla are a trio, like I described prior. Mirage is clearly the next change up.

FWIW Odyssey is fantastic if you haven’t played it. Valhalla i found boring and dropped.

But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls

Ok go find the nearest landline during an active shooter.

It’s 2023. Whether we want them or not they’re here. They in the workplace, they’re in our classrooms, they’re at home, they’re everywhere. Any attempt to truly prohibit smart devices is not as simple as it sounds and presents other challenges in the modern era.

Prohibition culture does not work for most things. If we want kids to stop using phones in class, we can take a more nuanced approach with taking it away as a blunt measure to occasionally deploy.

This is weaseling out of the thrust of the entire discussion and you know it.

Oh I hear you then. When I think of polish in the context of video games, I’m usually thinking about visual and mechanical polish. How creatures and objects move, how things look and feel. By that standard, I think Bethesda has really upped their game to a noticeable degree, even if there is still a lot more to do. But by your definition I can see what you mean! I just don’t usually refer to “polish“ in terms of story, and such when talking about video games

Dude, I understand the logic behind Gitmo, we have all had 20 years to figure it out. That’s not the point. You said we are in line with a International laws, but we bend and break them at will constantly, because the US can essentially shrug and go “what are you gonna do about it?” We do it all the time. We are seen as one notch better than a schoolyard bully by many countries. Gitmo is grey area at best partially because we would never let another country do that to our citizens.

We don’t live in that world anymore.

Schools got by fine without the Internet until probably the mid-2000s. They got by fine without computers until probably the 90s. You can make that argument about literally anything in a school right now. We live in a society built around smart phones and tablets. We can’t just pretend we don’t.

Still important to call them out in public so their ridiculous opinions don’t spread

If this community/instance bothers you so much there’s nothing stopping you from blocking it and subscribing to another one.

Dude if you seriously think Gitmo is actually ok you’re way too precious and narrow in your interpretation with laws. You’re detaching them from reality. Pretending “spirit of the law” has no place.

Our values are supposed to inform our laws. Not the other way around. Gitmo is an abomination and I guarantee you the US would never stand for Russia or China having the equivalent.

My understanding was that it was sent back but not struck down saying that it just didn’t fall under anti-terrorism laws, but I guess I was mistaken!

It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

A faraday cage is a fun thought exercise but wholly impractical. A lot of emergency systems - such as amber alerts - rely on their connectivity. A lot of schools also give out laptops/tablets.

What is written and what is done makes a Venn diagram, not a circle. The US is widely known to enforce all issues anywhere within in its own borders for a reason.

Gitmo sure isn’t in line with international law.