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reddit will delete this comment cuz they’re controlled by China but fuck the CCP!!!
same energy
I got banned from one of the communities for simply saying I thought both socialism and capitalism won’t work without more nuance and blending.
I always figured the snowflakes were really the far right… But no, it’s both extremes, apparently.
If you can’t examine real world examples of your philosophy critically, you’ve no business in the debate. Tankies aren’t willing to hear about the flaws apparent in the system any more than your average thin blue bootlicker will.
I say this as someone who makes guillotine “jokes.” Definitely jokes.
Socialism is just democracy extended into the workplace. Saying pure socialism won’t work is arguing against democracy.
I will always argue against pure democracies. People are not invested enough to provide a coherent opinion on 100% of the solutions our societies require for survive and thrive.
A vote over the use of chemicals for water treatment could easily end in their permanent ban. Hell, with the right malicious intent, someone could easily get dihydrogen monoxide banned from crop fields.
A pure democracy is how Idiocracy becomes a reality. Now, a mix, such as a republic electing the careful use of democratic socialism… Sure!
That isn’t how it works. It’s like if you’re a part of a cooperatively run business, then you get equal say in workplace practices. There isn’t a ‘boss’ dictating the rules to you.
Socialism is authoritarian. There’s no democracy in socialism.
The definition of socialism is workers owning the means of production. That means democracy in the workplace. Worker’s councils. Equal representation. Majoritarian politics.
Workers can own anything they wish under liberal capitalism. But your definition of socialism is actually wrong.
You mean that socialism is an authoritarian regime.
You should read the other comments below mine where another guy said the same thing.
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The extremes of each ideology are surprisingly similar my friend
I honestly had no idea before I came to Lemmy.
I actually really enjoy a lot of the facets of socialism and communism… Most people would easily mistake my independent political position as “left”, especially since I strongly oppose the current GOP.
But here in Lemmygrad, I am apparently quite the villain for suggesting some extremist, far-left policies are toxic.
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The political spectrum is a circle. Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same. Loud hateful aggressive assholes lacking the intelligence to understand nuance.
It appears the leftists would like you to stop saying unkind things about them. I guess it’s good we’re not in one of their specific communities, eh?
Way to prove the meme right, extremists.
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Perfect example above of not being able to read or understand nuance.
Yea, that’s more of a self-report on your end if you can’t comprehend nuance and think absolute rejection of classist hierarchy and absolute adherence to classist hierarchy** are the same positions**.
Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same.
If you tried actually reading, you would have noticed how I in fact said the exact opposite. I never claimed they were the same, I specifically mentioned they may latch on to different things/positions. What I said instead was that they had the same personality type.
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No actually I am most definitely correct. You are either just too biased to accept it or can’t separate viewpoints from personality types and behaviours.
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There we go, perfect example of extremists making discriminatory statements and unable to engage in discussion. I care about politics plenty, I just don’t subscribe to one dimensional propaganda not supported by data.
Protip: attacking everyone who doesn’t share your extremist and hateful views doesn’t really make you look any better or change their mind. But I do get it gives you an outlet to be channel all your hate and blame others when you are just too dumb to understand nuance.
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I think people confuse “liberal society” with “liberal capitalism” and think if you have 100% socialism then you don’t even own a toothbrush or something
Let’s do a little experiment:
- Tankies are horrible
- Nazi’s are horrible
- The US is horrible
- Russia is horrible
- China is horrible
I like concision: people are horrible.
:P
People are fine. Hierarchy turns man into monster. Destroy the hierarchy, destroy the beast.
and Nazis
The fun is if you had made some point about something china or Russia related and HADN’T also mentioned that the US is horrible, you’d get dogpiled.
The US is horrible, leave me alone
What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you put an apostrophe there?!
(ahem, grammar and spelling Nazis are also horrible)
I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.
I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.
For the majority of Americans, as long as you are a pleasant person, you will have pleasant conversations, even if it’s about a disagreement.
A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.
B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.
Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.
“Yes we know absolute monarchs, unequal access to justice, oppression and the dumb wars they get us into are unfair, but no ‘democracism’ will fix it”
It takes a very basic knowledge of history to understand why this argument is shit.
Doomerism be like:
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Essentially a perjorative for authoritarian communists. The types of people who uncritically glorify the Soviet Union (and depending on which one you’re talking to, the Russian Federation as well), the People’s Republic of China, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, etc. Here’s a page on Wikipedia about it.
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Authoritarian communists, please see the second paragraph of this wiki article
Me too, although in my minds eye, it’s people who like tanks.
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it’s ok no one does
What is tankie?
Those who support authoritative regime. I think it’s the new commies. Tend to be used on those who are sympathetic to Russia and China.
I’d argue they’re not commies - they don’t give a shit about worker enfranchisement. They’re just red-coded fascists.
True that.
It’s a term to distinguish between anarcho-communists and authoritarian communists (bolshevists)
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A nerd/geek who compulsively collects miniature model tanks, often obsessed especially with the famous Soviet medium tank known as T-34
Basically communists who defend Mao and Stalin. (And sometimes, oddly enough, the current governments of Russia and China.)
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a far-left nazi
I asked this question a little while ago because I’ve heard the term but it’s not always clear what it is referring to. I think that similarly to ‘woke’ it is used in the context of ideological or political battles, so the definition is variable depending on the context. Opponents will likely have the widest definition since that way they can insult the largest group of people whose beliefs they disagree with, eg. “If you support Ukraine you’re a tankie”.
Words like ‘progressive’, ‘socialist’, ‘authoritarian’ are more appropriately descriptive if that’s what you’re going for. If you want to have an argument then ‘woke’, ‘tankie’, ‘SJW’, ‘karen/keith’, ‘snowflake’, ‘bootlicker’, ‘edgelord’, ‘redditor’ are good choices.
The term originated in a British socialist political party, I can’t remember which, as a term for other socialists that supported the Soviet Union’s invasion of I think Hungary. The tank parts originates from the fact tanks were used. Like you say though, the term has become very watered down now and people kind of just throw it around without much discernment.
lemmy devs are actually pretty good at not forcing their ideology on others
It is way easier to get banned on reddit for a lot less than a slight not conformist opinion. Here they downvote you, stop. And i talk about real controversies.
A CAPITALIST SPY
GET HIM
Why would the devs do that? Their job is to make the platform
Yeah but they haven’t built in communism… yet.
I’d be ok though if it were the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism though.
one thing amazes me for sure: there is still bunch of people loudly protecting their masters’ right to exploit and rob them.
And they are doing this while are already living in the world destroyed and robbed by capital, where COVID showed how vulnerable and under-financed our healthcare system is, where due to the global competition and sinking profits of corporations countries are building alliances, and preparing a new big imperialistic war for us, where crisis goes after crisis together with high inflation globally, and where quality of life is sinking monthly.
Thin skinned bunch, aren’t they?
It’s amazing the number of tankies and overall left-nuts I’ve found on here. Figures considering the kind of people that frequent FOSS spaces
Lol. So right. These nerds hate everyone who makes everything and doesn’t give them free stuff.
are these “tankies” in the room with us right now?
Not anymore they aren’t.
what to be scared of
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Fuck tankies but also fuck OP
Looks like OP is going full-blown “I don’t hate the homeless, but…” elsewhere itt
I’d love to see his ass banned again
As someone who has worked extensively with the homeless, I’ve seen quite a few examples of where supposedly anti-homeless takes have been attempts to inject more nuance into discussions than simply being pro- or anti-homeless, both of which are practically meaningless positions.
In this case however, OP just has some awful opinions about people he assumes are homeless. So not really any nuance here, just sugar-coated classism and general bigotry
