The 27-year-old man who police say shot and killed a California business owner over a Pride flag draped in her store appears to have had a yearslong history of posting disturbing — and often violent — anti-LGBTQ messages on social media.

The suspect, Travis Ikeguchi, gunned down Laura Ann Carleton, 66, on Friday, after confronting her and “yelling many homophobic slurs” over her clothing store’s Pride flag, San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said at a news conference Monday. Shortly after fleeing the store, Mag.Pi, Ikeguchi was killed in a shootout with law enforcement.

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      Bigotry is not a mental illness, and actually mentally ill people are much more likely to be the victims of violence than to perpetrate it.
      Please stop spreading this ableist excuse.
      This guy killed someone because he was a violent hateful bigot, and is direct and not at all unexpected result of a violent hateful and bigoted society. That might not be an easy or comfortable reality to deal with, but that’s what it is. Stop scapegoating mentally ill people (who yes, deserve significantly more help and support than we get, but that doesn’t change the fact that society created this, and many other, killers, not mental illness).

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        No one is scapegoating mentally ill people by stating the fact that there is mental illness that can lead to dangerous and / or criminal behaviour. An estimated 30 to 70 % of all homicidal criminals have at least one mental illness.

        It’s also not ableist because “mentally ill people” is not even close to a homogeneous group of people. There are thousands of different mental illnesses and more than 20 % of people in the USA are mentally ill.

        No one is saying these people are all murderers.

        Please stop trying to push this weird agenda of “some people are just born evil” or made evil or whatever it is you are trying to say. It’s a step forward to recognise how society can prevent criminal behaviour, for example by treating mental illness better. “Evil” does not exist. There is always a reason of why someone behaves the way they do.

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        "…political conservatism and motivated social cognition (Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski & Sulloway, “Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition,” Psychological Bulletin). In a nutshell, the article—by Stanford and UC Berkeley researchers—seems to suggest that conservatism is a mild form of insanity. Here are the facts. A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that “several psychological variables predicted political conservatism.” Which variables exactly? In order of predictive power: death anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem. The researchers conclude, a little chillingly, that “the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality.” The above list of variables is more than a little unsavory. We are talking about someone full of fear, with a poor sense of self, and a lack of mental dexterity. " -above is an excerpt from Psychology today article

        No, these people literally need medical intervention and they’d very likely be better, more compassionate, healthier people.

        Mental illness is chemical imbalance, inherited conditions and unresolved trauma. Science has answers and therapies, but this group is socially conditioned to avoid addressing their metal health and our society fails (largely in a broken loop full of the same conservatives denying funding) in not making access to care undeniably available, affordable/free and encouraged.

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      Honest question - where do we draw the line between mental illness and reactionary/far right politics? Noone of sound mind would believe the ludicrous conspiracism that the mainstream conservative media like Fox constantly spews forth - and that’s to say nothing of the more extreme OAN and Infowars.

      Case in point - gay and trans people are inherently paedophiles (honestly wtf?)… A super-common talking point that begs the question what do we do about the people (the lunatics stupidly think are) raping our children?

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        We’ve reached the point in the medicalisation of everything where being an asshole must be a mental health problem because ‘no sane person would think that’. Being irrational and believing lies is not mental illness, it is normal human behaviour. Cruelty is normal human behaviour.

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          Unless this can be proven, it’s a bold claim to say it’s normal human behaviour to be cruel. Current research suggests the opposite. The majority of humans are born with empathy and the desire to help others and be nice.

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          I saw them doing it to a baby killer in another thread. Other people were calling them ableist for it and I think that’s what everyone ought to do.

          Doing evil things does not mean you are mentally ill. People can choose to do evil and just because they refuse to understand that doesn’t make it true. Assuming evil must be mental illness denied mentally ill people their agency and ownership of their choices. I read others calling them out on catering to stereotypes of the mentally ill as violent and dangerous…

          Why aren’t the rest of you telling them to stop?

          You know blatant ableism like that means they’re likly right-wingers concern trolling for their dumbass fascist friends, right? Labeling others mentally ill is what the right does to trans people so why don’t you think they’d cynically exploit you by labeling their allies mentally ill to absolve them of responsibility for their actions?

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          Of course they’re assholes, but that’s not the point - they’re brain-broken delusional, and victims of genuinely unhinged conspiracism. They’re not mutually exclusive.

          Believing the transparent, self-contradictory nonsense is absolutely pathological… I assume you think someone that believes they’re Queen Victoria are delusional - where do you draw the line?

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            No, the point is that you don’t want to acknowledge that people are capable of choosing to be evil. In your mind, all people are good, and any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as mental illness, because of course mentally ill people don’t count, have no agency and no credibility.

            Fuck you, you ableist piece of shit.

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        There was never any justification to label Trump supporters mentally ill in the first place. Just because ther beliefs are incomprehensible to you does not make them or anyone else mentally ill. Your mindset is not the objective standard for normal or healthy. Stop being so arrogant.

        Stop labeling people who think differently than you mentally ill.

        Especially evil people like them.

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          I’m curious why you jumped to the legal argument. If someone is unaware of the consequences of their actions, it becomes difficult to hold them legally or morally accountable. This is also the basis for an insanity defence.

          While having beliefs that don’t match the real world isn’t inherently mental illness - it definitely is beyond a certain point. The clinical definition can be found in DSM5 297.1 (F22).

          It’s the difference between “I believe Jesus is my personal lord and saviour” (delusional but understandable) and “I am Jesus… No I can’t swim, but watch me step off this boat and walk on water.” (delusional to a clinically relevant, harmful degree).