The 27-year-old man who police say shot and killed a California business owner over a Pride flag draped in her store appears to have had a yearslong history of posting disturbing — and often violent — anti-LGBTQ messages on social media.
The suspect, Travis Ikeguchi, gunned down Laura Ann Carleton, 66, on Friday, after confronting her and “yelling many homophobic slurs” over her clothing store’s Pride flag, San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said at a news conference Monday. Shortly after fleeing the store, Mag.Pi, Ikeguchi was killed in a shootout with law enforcement.
Honest question - where do we draw the line between mental illness and reactionary/far right politics? Noone of sound mind would believe the ludicrous conspiracism that the mainstream conservative media like Fox constantly spews forth - and that’s to say nothing of the more extreme OAN and Infowars.
Case in point - gay and trans people are inherently paedophiles (honestly wtf?)… A super-common talking point that begs the question what do we do about the people (the lunatics stupidly think are) raping our children?
We’ve reached the point in the medicalisation of everything where being an asshole must be a mental health problem because ‘no sane person would think that’. Being irrational and believing lies is not mental illness, it is normal human behaviour. Cruelty is normal human behaviour.
I saw them doing it to a baby killer in another thread. Other people were calling them ableist for it and I think that’s what everyone ought to do.
Doing evil things does not mean you are mentally ill. People can choose to do evil and just because they refuse to understand that doesn’t make it true. Assuming evil must be mental illness denied mentally ill people their agency and ownership of their choices. I read others calling them out on catering to stereotypes of the mentally ill as violent and dangerous…
Why aren’t the rest of you telling them to stop?
You know blatant ableism like that means they’re likly right-wingers concern trolling for their dumbass fascist friends, right? Labeling others mentally ill is what the right does to trans people so why don’t you think they’d cynically exploit you by labeling their allies mentally ill to absolve them of responsibility for their actions?
Unless this can be proven, it’s a bold claim to say it’s normal human behaviour to be cruel. Current research suggests the opposite. The majority of humans are born with empathy and the desire to help others and be nice.
Of course they’re assholes, but that’s not the point - they’re brain-broken delusional, and victims of genuinely unhinged conspiracism. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Believing the transparent, self-contradictory nonsense is absolutely pathological… I assume you think someone that believes they’re Queen Victoria are delusional - where do you draw the line?
No, the point is that you don’t want to acknowledge that people are capable of choosing to be evil. In your mind, all people are good, and any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as mental illness, because of course mentally ill people don’t count, have no agency and no credibility.
Fuck you, you ableist piece of shit.
There was never any justification to label Trump supporters mentally ill in the first place. Just because ther beliefs are incomprehensible to you does not make them or anyone else mentally ill. Your mindset is not the objective standard for normal or healthy. Stop being so arrogant.
Stop labeling people who think differently than you mentally ill.
Especially evil people like them.
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I’m curious why you jumped to the legal argument. If someone is unaware of the consequences of their actions, it becomes difficult to hold them legally or morally accountable. This is also the basis for an insanity defence.
While having beliefs that don’t match the real world isn’t inherently mental illness - it definitely is beyond a certain point. The clinical definition can be found in DSM5 297.1 (F22).
It’s the difference between “I believe Jesus is my personal lord and saviour” (delusional but understandable) and “I am Jesus… No I can’t swim, but watch me step off this boat and walk on water.” (delusional to a clinically relevant, harmful degree).