The plan is a response to US President Donald Trump’s proposal that the US could seize control of the Gaza Strip and turn it into ‘the Riviera of the Middle East.’
Britain, France, Germany and Italy on Saturday, March 8, backed a proposal by Muslim-majority nations to rebuild Gaza. The counter-proposal to US President Donald Trump’s plan to take over Gaza and displace its residents “promises – if implemented – swift and sustainable improvement of the catastrophic living conditions for the Palestinians living in Gaza,” the foreign ministers of the four countries said in a joint statement.
I’m happy to see that European leaders speak out in favour of something thought up by the Arab league. Let’s hope it’s gestures (and actions) like these that help de-escalate the global “West - Islamism” situation.
Is the West vs. Islamism still a big topic in Europe (outside of immigration rhetoric)? On this side of the Atlantic, it was already “on the back burner” somewhat, and then the Russian invasion happened.
a big topic in Europe (outside of immigration rhetoric)
It is a big topic. And it’s all about immigration rhetoric.
And it’s all about immigration rhetoric.
Yeah because the left ignores the subject, leaving it to (far-)right parties. It’s a mistake IMO, Islam is not harmless. My brother in law is a Muslim convert. Last year during Christmas, the whole Santa thing was a huge issue, he wouldn’t explain to his kids that some children believe in different things than them.
And it’s only gotten worse, a few months ago he announced that he wouldn’t come to family gatherings anymore if there was any alcohol or non-halal food. He says that he doesn’t want to expose his kids to that. So what does that teach them? That common french beverages, foods and customs are so wrong that they can’t see their aunts and cousins anymore. How do they grow up to be well-adjusted members of society with that kind of upbringing?
So we’re really worried about where things are headed, and the only answer from the political class is either “there’s nothing wrong with Islam you bigot” or “send them back to their country”…
I mean, that just sounds like the problem you would have with anyone radicalised by religion. If you had a hyper Christian or Jew I doubt it would be much different. Perhaps the problem there might be that many more Muslims are ardent believers than Christians, so the atmosphere makes people more inclined to be radical as well. Or maybe it’s just a case of correlation does not equal causation.
Sure but we don’t have christians or Jews decapitating teachers for showing pictures, or otherwise trying to impose their beliefs and customs on others. I mean, we had quite a few Christians like that, but we mostly fixed the issue when we hung dozens of priests. The left remembers this fondly, while you can’t say anything negative about Islam without being called a bigot.
I‘m not sure that’s covered in French history books but you butchered the living shit out of somewhere between 400,000 and 5.6 million Algerians and that’s just one example. There are millions, if not tens of millions of victims of French colonialism. You’ll say it’s a long time ago but there are enough people alive in France who still remember and miss having colonies. You did that in the name of “civilizing savages”. The Belgium, British and Germans did the same under the guise of “civilizing” them and teaching them Christianity. You’re just spreading right wing narratives here.
Western education generally does a piss poor job covering colonialism. Most British folk exit their public education system having a cursory understanding of it which really says something.
Yes I did learn about colonialism in school. I don’t get your point though. I should personally be ashamed, and tolerate people teaching their little kids to light girls’ hair on fire, because of colonialism? How is that different from demanding every Muslim to apologize for terrorist attacks?
My children are half-cambodian, just this week my 7yo was told to go back to her country by some asshole kid at her school. The normalisation of the far-right and the prospect of a RN presidency is a huge concern for me, as is the fact that the left calls me a racist when I mention the very real Islam-related issues I personally encountered.
The French and Islam, tell me a more iconic duo. Radicalism is bad and this in law is obviously pretty radical. However, looking over to France, not even places like Hungary, Poland or Germany are as racist as French people are in every day life. And I picked them because those are particularly racist countries. The evil of French Islamophobia is that it’s sugarcoated with a fake intellectual narrative that tries to justify it instead of being honest about the fact that you just fucking hate them and see them as lesser people that you used to colonize.
Sure, the right sees them that way. I don’t, and I’m far from alone. I have many Muslim friends and colleagues, wonderful people that I look up to, and with whom I’ve had very interesting conversations about religion. Up until last year I accommodated my BIL as best as I could, making sure there were appropriate food and drinks options for him, providing him with a room to pray in, and so on. I have absolutely no problem with religious people, as long as respect and understanding goes both ways.
But as you say, there are radical Muslims, and it’s not racist to be concerned about this issue and its consequences. A teacher was decapitated for showing fucking pictures to his class, because a student lied to her father who was all too happy to launch a hate campaign against the teacher. Many people cheered at the news on social networks. In my daughter’s school, a fucking 6yo was caught lighting a girl’s hair on fire because girls are supposed to cover their hair. Is that not concerning?
But sure, you can dismiss it all as islamophobia, and then wonder why more and more people vote for the RN.
There are radical people, fixed that for you. I say radicalism is bad, you made it about Muslims but don’t seem to care how radical the RN is. What you’re basically saying is that because there are radical Muslims (which will be true for any nationality, ethnicity, religion, or political belief) it’s justified to vote for Nazis. Thanks for proving my point.
No, I’m saying that if only the Nazis talk about an issue, people who are concerned about this issue will listen to them, and then vote for them. Which is obviously bad, so I’d very much like the left to pull their head from the sand and face the problems caused by Islam, like they faced the problems caused by Christianity, so that we come up with a sensible and compassionate alternative to the terrible things the RN proposes.
I think it’s mostly just a right wing talking point. Especially in France, where they try to milk as much islamophobia as they can out of the various terror attacks.
Same in Germany.
Immigration rhetoric has been a pretty big part, especially as most “center” politics moved to the right substantially in most EU countries
I don’t think people care outside of immigration rhetoric
I want EU to grow balls and provide aid to Gaza from the sea.
Without a proper harbour that is actually surprisingly difficult. There are some special ship types that can do it without, but they are pretty rare.
China has a bunch of those sort of ships and is building more…
so they will send some help, right?..
This was a year ago. As long people are starving there then we’re not delivering enough aid. Make USA and Israel uncomfortable because what are they going to do about it? Shoot at it? They could shoot at some nameless organisation, reporters or at toothless UN but can they shoot at foreign military delivering humanitarian aid in accord with international law which compels us to prevent genocide?
I want that we stay out of it. Its not our War, People or Land.
Hasbara doing hasbara, where are you located, Tel Aviv, Haifa?
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Uhhh… (Checks history)
Europe actually appears to have been quite involved in the creation of the current state of Israel, and by that token, the stateless position of the Palestinians.
The state of the land, which is the cause of the war, is actually very much due to European decisions.
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In the West Bank there is no Hamas. So why is then Israel killing people, expanding colonies, destroying olive trees, stealing land, sheltering, aiding and abetting extremist settlers?
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“The Gazans should topple Hamas” idea is tantamount to the old “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” idea. Gazans do not even have homes, or food, do you think they have any other internal structure they can pull on to coordinate anything?
Do you know who has kept Hamas in power? Who has refused any deal that involves any other ready group like the PA from taking the reigns? Who would absolutely kill any upstart organization? Israel.
At this point, Hamas is a puppet boogie man that conservative Israelis have to prop up because Hamas is their “slaughter Gazans for free” card.
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All of your responses are non-sequitors to my points and your initial argument.
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I googled if Gaza has refugee camps that are safe from Israeli attack, because that is counter to 15mo of news. Do you have a source? That is somehow more credible than dozens of international news articles and experts saying “no where in Gaza is safe”? Story after story of Gazans following evacuation routes directed by the IDF that the IDF then attack.
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For the sake of argument, let’s say that there are refugee camps that are safe. As you say - there are millions of Gazans. They all need to be safe. They all need access to safety because they are human beings.
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What is your point about ‘100,000 Gazans safe in other countries’? I think you mean that there are ‘enough’ outside that it is ‘ok’ to exterminate the ones still trapped in Gaza because their ‘lineage’ is preserved.
Humans are not a variety of carrot. We don’t say it’s ok to kill some percentage of a people just as long as we don’t kill them all. Hitler could have said it was ok to kill all the Jews in Europe because there are ‘enough’ in the US. It would still have been wrong to kill any Jews in Europe for being Jewish, just as it is wrong for Israel to attack Palestinian civilians for being Palestinian.
Every person has a right to their own individual life that should not be taken by any state because they are the wrong ethnicity in the wrong place. Genocide is wrong at the scale of individual people.
That is the heart of human rights, and you misunderstand that at your own peril.
- On February 2, an Israeli airstrike on the Nuseirat refugee camp resulted in the death of one child and injured several others. Additionally, a 13-year-old child was shot dead by Israeli forces in Rafah on February 5 .
- On February 28, two Palestinian civilians, including a five-year-old child, were killed by Israeli attacks while trying to return to Northern Gaza .
These incidents highlight the ongoing tensions and violence despite the ceasefire agreements.
Millions of Gazans in the Camps and 2 dead in a month while a war is going on.
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There is both moral and legal grounds for humanitarian aid. I’m sure I don’t need to explain moral ones but UN recognises responsibility to protect as a part of international law. EU should be upholding international rule based order. It’ll also piss US off, but we no longer need to walk on eggshells.
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I’m not starving. You?
no, but life could be better tbh.
I guess I shouldn’t have been so sure that I don’t need to explain moral reasons for humanitarian aid.
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