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- progressive_islam@lemm.ee
- cross-posted to:
- progressive_islam@lemm.ee
Israel has sparked global outrage after dropping leaflets over the besieged Gaza Strip, warning Palestinians to either cooperate with its forces or face forced displacement or eradication. The messages, written in Arabic, carried explicit threats, including the chilling statement: “The world map will not change if all the people of Gaza cease to exist.”
The move, condemned as a psychological warfare tactic, has intensified concerns over Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, with many seeing the leaflets as an open admission of ethnic cleansing.
The threats also reference a so-called “Trump plan”, aligning with recent remarks by US President Donald Trump. who suggested the mass expulsion of Gaza’s population to neighbouring countries. The posters featured images of Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is facing accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity and wanted by the IC
But hey, we sure showed Biden with that protest vote. Way to go team. Instead of using continued pressure to bend the party that at least listens somewhat, we now gave Gaza the dictator who gives 0 fucks. High five. /s
Update: Complain all you want about this take. I’ve been a lefty union member all my life and I got so much shit for saying Biden would not be as bad as Trump for Gaza. I got called Blue MAGA, tankie, and other trash from my own side because I saw it for what it was. Netanyahu wanted Trump to win for a reason. Now y’all want to justify your handing the country to Trump to make a point or give me shit for calling it out. Fuck you right back. I voted Bernie in the past, Biden was never my first choice, but pretending voting for a no chance in hell fake like Jill Stein was a possible alternative is bull shit. We live in a winner take all representative Republic. Until the system is changed, every election is the lesser evil vote. In the mean time, you don’t hand the country to the oligarchy’s mascot and his fascist mob. The people of Gaza will be paying even worse, but now add Ukraine, LGBTQ+, Federal workers, unions, people of color, immigrants, and everyone making under $150,000 a year to those who will suffer worse. We needed to come together to stop Project 2025, but we had to let the perfect be the enemy of the good like always.
That’s funny, everyone, everyone know they don’t give a fuck what we have to say. They were willing to lose an election before listening to what we had to say. It was able time people held them accountable for refusing to represent our demands. Liberals refusing to listen gave us another round of Trump
Are you interested in others being able to participate in democracy or are you only interested in commanding others to vote for your preferences?
Think only having these two unreasonable options to choose from is unfair and not a real choice? Me too, thanks.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
STAR voting
Alternative vote
Ranked Choice voting
Range Voting
Single Transferable Vote
Mixed Member Proportional representation
100% - we need to change the system so we don’t only have two choices. Third parties winning will not happen till the system of voting is changed. That takes work outside of elections.
Several states put ranked choice balloting up for a vote in 2024, all of them voted it down except for Alaska which was a referendum on the system already in place.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5183210/nonpartisan-primary-ranked-choice-voting-results
Portland attempted it at the city level and saw a 20% drop in voter participation on the ranked choice candidates for mayor and city council. People could not be bothered.
https://www.opb.org/article/2024/12/17/why-portlands-district-1-voter-participation-lagged-other-districts-in-first-election-using-ranked-choice-voting/
We had a vote on that in the UK too.
Again, shot down. Both sides put aside their differences and put full effort into killing that. Apparently it was too expensive (“we need incubators, not a fair voting system!”) and too complicated.
We will never have real democracy. They’ll never let us have it and anybody powerful enough to overthrow them won’t allow it either. It’s just wrong lizards until one of them does away with the farce.
STOP FUXKING PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR FUCKS SAKE. All you’re doing is driving a wedge between people who oppose the genocide. Do you support the genocide? Because shit like this makes it seem like you love it because you get to say “pfft. Well this is on those people over there and I was sooo right.”
Why is this so fucking important to you? Shut the fuck up with this. Every single time there is horrifying news about Gaza. You pull out the blaming stick to say “this is the fault of thise people who didn’t like the genocide!” Shut the fuck up this isnt about you and how fuxking right your vote was.
Do something better. If you actually give a shit. Because it’s very possible you don’t and are more concerned with labeling yourself as having been right and washing your hands of the situation
For fucks sake
Stop driving a wedge into people who drove a wedge.
If you can’t stop aiding genocide when you have the legal authority to do so, you probably won’t do anything for democracy.
…and here we are
Uno reverse take: not voting help the tangerine terror who will level Gaza
Gaza was already leveled prior to the 2024 election. On Gaza, no vote mattered. Lip service or the honest cruelty of it all. There are plenty of reasons to hate trump (this still being one of them), but if you think any US president was gonna actually put a stop to this…lol
Quit calling out the bullshit that led us here.
It’s neat watching centrists get mad that trump is implementing their only policy.
Biden decided it was more important to send billions in weapons to israel as they committed genocide than to listen to protestors, so much so that he thought it was worth losing their votes over it. Harris continued with the same rhetoric. You’re ignoring over a year of things getting worse and worse in Palestine while insisting that somehow the democrats ignoring voters during an election when they need the votes are somehow going to make things better when they don’t need the votes. You’re admonishing people protesting against genocide in order to defend a party that has authorized billions in weapons to israel as they’re committing genocide, with Biden even bypassing congress to do so. Think about it.
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It’s nice to see centrists finally object to the genocide they cheered for a solid year under Bidenyahu.
We spent over a year using every means of pressure we had to bend the party and all we had to show for it was more billions for Israel. Nothing would have changed if we voted for the party that spent the last year ignoring our demands.
Instead, you got the party that sent 2000 lbs bombs and wants to eradicate the people of Gaza so he can build some casinos.
Biden was already sending loads and loads of bombs for over a year
If you bomb a refugee camp with one 2000lbs bomb or two 1000lbs bombs, will it make any practical difference for the women and children who have their bodies blown apart or burn to death?
Biden floated a plan to displace all the Palestinians in Gaza too, but he was unable to get any Arab country to go along with it.
Trump will face the same obstacles.
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Nothing would have changed? Hahahahaha. Well you got your change. Congrats on creating even more dead Palestinian children. You seem weirdly proud of having their blood on your hands.
So almost until Biden left office, Israel was killing an average of 100 to 300 Palestinians a day. What do you think would have magically changed, if Biden had continued into a second term, or Harris had taken over who had vowed to continue Bidens policies?
You claim the Democrats would have suddenly ended their policies of over one year of genocide, despite stating the opposite. Can you please point me to the evidence that this would have happened?
As @queermunist@lemmy.ml pointes out, Biden tried to fo for ethnic cleansing in 2023. When that met the resistance of the surrounding countries, he decided to escalate to murdering as many Palestinians he could get away with without sparking a revolt in the US.
The only difference in policy is that Trump is speaking the quiet part out loud.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/2/biden-under-pressure-to-act-amid-new-fears-of-ethnic-cleansing-in-gaza
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/bidens-israel-funding-request-gets-scrutiny-hits-early-hurdle
https://truthout.org/articles/rights-groups-say-bidens-israel-funding-request-would-finance-ethnic-cleansing/
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/10/14/can-egypt-be-persuaded-to-accept-gazan-refugees
The ceasefire is still ongoing, despite Israel’s provocations. I know you’re horny for more genocide so you can feel good about being “right” about the lesser evil, but so far the number of dead children has dramatically decreased since Biden was in office.
Stop apologising for genocide.
Centrists have no other policy. They can’t.
Idk who would call you a Tankie for saying Biden is better, the Tankies support Trump.
On Lemmy.ml is where that one was flung around.
Lmao that’s a fucking Tankie instance tho
Tell me what Biden or Kamala would have done different? Remember all the red lines that functionally did nothing to US policy?
It was under biden that, we estimate because we can’t know, that ~500,000 gazans died. It was under biden that we continued to send bombs to israel even as Israel pushed the entire population into a concentration camp next to egypt.
Gaza was already under a dictator. Way to go Biden and Kamala, instead of giving a single fuck about your electorate loudly told you, you sucked the teet of pro-israel donors and it lost the election.
You fucks keep spouting this drivel but are weirdly quiet about what’s happening currently. Sure, many more Palestinian children are going to die because of your tantrum but if you just keep throwing the tantrum maybe you won’t have to look at the blood on your hands.
Because what’s currently happening is ONLY possible because of that Biden and Harris did. It’s liberals that were quiet about genocide occurring because their preferred flavor of fascism was doing it, and you want to talk about blood on your hands?
This question was not answered.
It won’t be, because libs don’t have an answer for this, they just want a more polite genocider in office
For starters you can see what Trump claims to be doing different from what was being done:
Continuing weapons shipments haulted by Biden
Putting an actual literal unapologetic genocide advocate in charge
I do indeed miss the days when headlines talked about the POTUS cussing out Netanyahu, which actually happened at several different events. It’s no secret that Netanyahu showed favoritism to Trump, and it doesn’t take a fucking rocket scientist to know why.
You believe what trump claims? Is it because he also supports genocide? And why do pro-genocide centrists always think that “Oh, You think trump is better?! HUH?!” is some sort of a fucking gotcha? We warned you that if you didn’t abandon the genocide that is the only thing any centrist has ever been capable of truly loving, YOU WOULD LOSE. You did, and you’re blaming everyone to your left for being able to read the writing on the wall.
Conveniently behind closed doors where it doesn’t matter. If we had “behind the scenes” biden instead of the biden that actually exists, we might not have trump again.
You are literally saying “you’re being quiet while throwing a tantrum”. Which is it, am I being quiet or noisy? Or is this some sort of weird quiet tantrum?
Yeah, look at how effective your strategy of running from responsibility has been. You and the DNC’s policy of blaming progressive voices IS what lost them this election. How about you keep doing that louder. Maybe you can go strike a deal with the Republicans to level just half of Gaza. Because that’s what Democrats in Congress are currently talking about. They are pissed, not because they lost, but because their constituents are calling them demanding they do more.
And they apparently think Ukrainian children are worthless.
Where are you getting this? You’re the only one mentioning Ukraine.
Yes we understand that it’s very important to you that no one mentions any of the side effects of your behavior. Your tantrum about Biden taking the hardest foreign policy stance with Israel in decades not being enough needs to justify the fact that you’re all in here gloating about how much harm you were able to cause. More genocide in more places. Your goal of more genocide, in more places, happening faster has been achieved, you evil pricks.
There’s really no reason to give genocide supporters like you the benefit of the doubt at all. Even if you’re just a cry baby with no understanding of foreign policy, it’s not a good enough excuse for the blood on your hands anymore.
You sure rattled the monkey cage with this one
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