During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.
That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.
A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians ‘the right way’ is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.
It’s time to let go of blame for Trump election, even if DNC is not the right solution. It’s not voters to blame. Both voter suppression, and provisional ballot shenanigans are enough to account for electoral college victory. That groups who failed to turn out, oppose Trump now, is more important than yelling at them.
I blame the voters who just flat out couldn’t be bothered. If they’d all showed and at least voted 3rd party on the president, at least the fascist wouldn’t have control of Congress.
I blame Dems for shitting on everything so hard that people made the choice to not show up.
Non-voters can’t fix what they’ve done, protest voters can’t change what’s happened. The Dems can absolutely still fix their party. There’s only one group who deserves our ire in this moment.
That is what the right wants you to do. Find anyone to blame but them.
There was a huge propaganda campaign started specifically to get the centrists and undecideds to stay home.
Every election is going to be a repeat of this. Facebook, TV, YouTube, anyone who can push content is going to forever say both sides are bad. And people will listen to them no matter how educated they are because propaganda works.
Watch for it because they’ll probably do it again: A conflict that America is only peripherally responsible for and cannot stop, being pushed as the number one issue in the next elections.
The people who say Kamala ignored their issue? You vote down ticket for democrats and push those people to support your issue. This in turn pressures the president to support your issue.
The democrats definitely will not help. They’ll produce 6 unlikeable candidates and say, “well… These are the only people who could possibly be our president. Also the primary is pointless because of superdelegates and split voting so we’ll just go ahead and pick this one before 50% of the nation has even voted.”
Shit… Sorry, I can’t stay on topic because I’m impossibly cynical at this point. I’m still voting democrat because I refuse to sit out or actively support fascism, but I’m heartbroken over the situation we’re in.
Imagine supporting genocide in order to win, but then losing anyway.
DNC successfully elected the best guy for genocide. They still collected a fair bit of money. Is that a loss?
Everyone always loses with Drump. Always have, always will.
Ah yes, the DNC’s ”strategy”—alienate everybody who isn’t a suburban wine mom or AIPAC donor. Brilliant. Why bother with Michigan families mourning Israeli airstrikes when you can pander to Fetterman’s Fox News cosplay?
Harris couldn’t even fake it. No Palestinian speaker, no policy shift, no spine. Just the same ”don’t rock the boat” calculus that’s sinking their coalition faster than a lead balloon in Lake Michigan.
Here’s the kicker: they’ll blame voters for staying home instead of owning their cowardice. Meanwhile, Uncommitted gets torched for not advocating ”the right way”—as if there’s a polite way to demand basic humanity. Spoiler: there isn’t.
Democrats didn’t just lose—they fumbled their soul.
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Identity politics isn’t just a weakness; it’s the entire playbook now. They’ve traded actual principles for a checklist of performative gestures that alienate everyone outside their echo chamber. A Palestinian speaker wouldn’t have been a magic bullet, but it’s not about votes—it’s about showing some moral backbone. Instead, they doubled down on the same corporate-approved cowardice that makes them indistinguishable from their so-called opposition.
And let’s be real: the problem isn’t just Netanyahu or his leadership—it’s that the U.S. props up these regimes while pretending to be neutral. The Dems could’ve drawn a line in the sand, but nah, they’d rather clutch their pearls and blame voters for their own failures. It’s not strategy; it’s self-sabotage dressed as pragmatism.
Harris campaign: why aren’t you embracing our flavor of fascism, the flavor of warhawks like Cheney and genocide?
As someone who lived through Cheny, you’re not wrong. But the present is so much worse. I’m sorry there was no alterative, I truly am. But there wasn’t.
The biggest group that stayed home after voting dem in 2020 were older white men/women and hispanic men
The protest votes were a non factor in comparison
The media blew this out of proportion to make leftists infight
“Leftists?” None of us are infighting as far as I know. Did you mean “Liberals?”
The leftist spectrum includes liberals, ultraliberals, and radicals. You are trying to redefine the word “leftist” to mean “radical” because the word “radical” sounds bad to many people. Radicals should just own the word “radical” but are too afraid too.
The very same problem occurs on the rightist spectrum of conservatives, archconservatives, and reactionaries. Reactionaries don’t want to be called that because it sounds bad so they always pretend to be “conservatives” even though there is a clear difference in the definitions.
Leftists are always infighting, but not about DNC ghouls
This post literally exists to make people mad at protesters who didn’t effect the election in any way now that the data is out and we can LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.
But that doesn’t matter here I guess, reality doesn’t matter when there’s straw men to seethe at
Liberals getting angry at leftist isn’t infighting, it’s just regular fighting.
Since the “leftist” spectrum includes liberals, ultraliberals, and radicals, yes it is “infighting” among leftist groups.
Leftists are anti-capitalist. Liberals support capitalism. Republicans and Democrats have more in common than liberals and leftists. Would you call a debate between trump and biden infighting?
Fetterman won his nomination when his brain was still functioning. If you don’t like him, primary him. It would probably work.
From a pure political science perspective, if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists. This coalition is objectively impossible to sustain and will make them lose any time Israel is bombing.
if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists.
Nope. They should instead purge themselves of all identity politics to the maximum extent possible and focus on the real problem of wealth inequality, like Bernie Sanders says.
It is starting to come out that the Democrats blatantly censored voter concerns for the genocide during the campaign. And lied about them not existing.
A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunteer or fundraising emails and people replied by asking about Gaza, they were told to mark it as “no response.” The result? They seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue.
i wish this information did more good; since the democrats are doing their damnedest to ignore it while the media is pretending it never happened.
honestly disgusted by how meager and purely symbolic the demands made by the uncommitted movement were
as if getting every single thing on that list would have spared a single life
All they demanded was basically a lip service and they didn’t get even that
They had a foolish belief in the humanity of their oppressors. That being asked to look their victims in the face would give them pause.
they’ve victims of the american empire; whoemever they vote for is going to lead to the same ends.
They successfully got Biden to step down
But then they were stupid enoufht to replace him with another genocidal politician
Yeah fuck those orphans and widows voting for what was objectively the lesser of two evils.
I wanted to murder their families instead of the red team. Now all I can do is sneer at them.
For the record, I’ve never seen anyone on Lemmy defend the DNC. We all know they screwed up. We also know that Trump is by far the greater evil.
I’m also angry that we now suffer the consequences and would have been delighted had Trump lost the election.
Go over to the Midwest instance and be annoyed
Not a fan of diversity or inclusion?
I have seen a lot of people blame “the voters” or people who didn’t vote or whatever, and that is often to a degree which implicitly absolves the DNC for their role in alternating them. Can’t really have it both ways.
I don’t really follow this logic. We can blame the DNC for several things: ignoring constituents, skipping primaries, etc. We can blame voters for letting Trump back into office.
I think this is consistent with the banal statement of two things can be wrong at the same time.
The problem is a lot of people on Lemmy focus on blaming the voters first and don’t really connect that issue with the DNC’s failures. A lot of voters didn’t come out to vote because of how bad Kamala and the DNC were in this election. So focusing on blaming voters is just focusing on the outcome rather than focusing on the actual cause of the issue. You can focus on both issues but if your solution is that voters are bad and need to be shamed rather then the DNC needs to improve they’re not gonna win any elections unless they get lucky again like they did in 2020 with covid and how unpopular Trump was then.
I think it’s silly to focus on just the DNC or the voters. They’re both to blame, and voter suppression exacerbated the problem substantially.
Generically, two things can be wrong at the same time, sure, but here the two things aren’t independent. If we “can blame the DNC for several things: ignoring constituents, skipping primaries, etc.” then we are saying that that is the cause of people not voting for them, which is how trump got reelected.
The two are related, but I don’t think they are interchangable. There are plenty of issues with the DNC. Voters are still responsible for making an educated decision.
I’m angry with both.
Just like on Reddit, they mostly shit on the voters, which is disgusting imo
It is truly sad that the Democratic Party has become this incompetent.
The fact that their candidates can openly taunt their own supposed constituency about having only one alternative to their own candidacy should be more than enough to elucidate how the Democrat establishment sees itself.
–A candidate doesn’t need to be particularly competent to play the role of the controlled opposition.
During the Obama election years the DNC literally said to the press they know voters didn’t like them but what choice do they have. That was when I knew they were gone.
Iron law of institutions. The entire point of the Democratic party is to fundraise and secure sinecure jobs for its members. Winning elections is a convenient side bonus. So they basically ran on Trump’s first term platform and full support of Israel, since it is more important than winning the election. That’s what the arms manufacturers, and other donors want.
So they basically ran on Trump’s first term platform
Nope. Harris was going to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy. The exact opposite of Trump.
The entire point of the Democratic party is to fundraise and secure sinecure jobs for its members.
None of us who voted for Dems did that in order to do any f*cking personal favors for them. We voted that way to do favors for ourselves and the country. Wealthy politicians are going totally fine no matter who wins. Hillary Clinton benefited from Trump’s gigantic tax cuts for the rich, instead of having to endure her own 5 separate ways of raising taxes on the wealthy. Anybody who thought you were “punishing” Clinton by not voting for her was wrong. You were actually punishing yourself and everybody else like you.
Harris was going to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy.
Neoliberals who couldn’t even predict that they were going to lose the election now and acting like they have magical power to know what Harris “would have done”
I believe they are competent at doing exactly what they have been doing. The system is working to benefit some people. :-(
I don’t think it’s incompetence. After-all they have successful defended the corporate duopoly for at least 50 years, probably longer. Sure there are some upstarts, but the machinations of the party ensure those people never get to actually threaten the status quo. Plus they make good sound-bytes so that the democrats can talk about how they are “fighting,” in unspecific ways.
defended the corporate duopoly
Weird that the last 3 Dem presidents all raised taxes on the wealthy and/or corporations.
machinations of the party
The DNC is literally composed of the primary delegates elected by the voters every 4 years. So if you don’t like the “machinations”, all you have to do is convince enough voters to vote for progressive delegates.
How much support did Alexandria Ocasio-cortez get from the DNC when she was running in the 2018 primary? Would you say it was more, less or the same as Joe Crowley?
I mean, it kinda has been for a while.
I wouldn’t think it’d take much to dunk on the current republican party.
Voting isn’t some bargain between a thousand voting groups and one candidate. Let’s break it down.
THERE ARE TWO CANDIDATES
YOU PICK THE BEST CANDIDATE
Note that ‘best’ isn’t ‘great’; nor is it ‘good’, ‘awesome’, etc. And, while there are more candidates, sometimes only two have a chance (Hi Ross Perot!). So it’s a binary choice. There has to be someone in office. You pick the least-worse one.
The unmentioned third option is “If you vote third party or don’t vote at all, you accept the consequences of a worst-case scenario”.
I’m really thinking America didn’t educate people on ‘this or that’.
THERE ARE TWO CANDIDATES
That’s not how democracy works…
Being restricted to two candidates is just like a one-party state with an extra choice for shits and giggles.
People vote with their conscience on whatever candidate they feel represents them. And it’s THEIR business.
Anything else is NOT democracy. Nobody is entitled to your vote. That’s the one power you have.
That’s not how democracy works…
It is unfortunately how the US democracy works. Nobody around today set this system up. We simply realized how it does and doesn’t work.
Being restricted to two candidates is just like a one-party state with an extra choice for shits and giggles.
Nope. Two parties is a huge improvement over one. Three is an improvement over 2, etc.
3 > 2 > 1
Pro genocide comments like this don’t surprise me anymore. I urge you to post more like this during the upcoming elections to remind people what the Democratic Party and its base really are. Voters might be scared into voting for the Democrats again.
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Wasn’t there like 6 parties?
No you can force a political party to abide by your wishes by showing you are willing to not vote for them.
What lesson can the Democratic party learn from this?
No you can force a political party to abide by your wishes by showing you are willing to not vote for them.
No you cannot. They don’t even know that you exist. The simple reality is that the one and only possibility for major progress is for Dems to win big and win often. When that happens, Dems will all be competing with each other to show themselves to be more progressive than the other guys.
Dems hid progressives in their tallies and told their staff to ignore them.
They refused to acknowledge our existence. Thus we refused theirs.
No you see, they don’t want to hold politicians accountable. They’d rather bootlick while blaming individual voters for being stuck between a rock and hard place.
Angsty, disaffected, adolescent me in the 1990’s believed that repeated rounds of “least-worst” would lead to, well, it’s here. He wasn’t proved wrong.
Voting isn’t some bargain between a thousand voting groups and one candidate.
That’s literally what it was intended to be. Political party conventions once were real, high-stakes meetings to hash out a platform that appealed to as many interests as possible.
The elections over champ, you can stop screeching the same thing over and over again. Unless you’re already gearing up to lose the next election too.
Sounds like US democracy with the US voting system is deeply flawed and the only moral action is to no longer engage with it. Otherwise you are expected to choose between different approaches to an ongoing genocide.
Personally I pull the lever in the trolley problem. Not pulling the lever definitely doesn’t equal washing one’s hands of the outcome.
Instead of uniting against Trump, let’s fracture the left by yelling at each other for voting the wrong way! Even though that has never worked in the history of ever!
I wish these people could understand that blaming people for voting “wrong” is literally the opposite of democracy and just devolves into nothing ever getting better.
Like you shouldn’t have to do that, people make good choices when they have good options!!
Cool that it’s the DNC’s fault. Sucks that anyone who was working towards Palestinian liberation now has to shift their attention to not getting jailed or deported.
I heard the organizers are expanding their strategy to other issues, like protesting capitalism by refusing to buy food or stopping an oil pipeline by refusing to drive to the blockade.
They were quoted as saying “These failures are already guaranteed to be someone else’s fault, and that’s the most important part.”
Ask the campus protestors arrested during the Biden administration about their felony charges and then tell me about how activists have to worry about being jailed now.
Cool that people making a principled stand to engage with a political party to encourage a change in policy are at fault for the leaders of that political party refusing to change policy, despite being told at multiple levels, for a multitude of reasons, including electorally, why that policy was bad.
Liberals hate democracy. Expecting to engage with a political party to affect change? Ew, just tick the box with a D next to it regardless of what they do or say. Don’t you know trying to engage with a party that doesn’t listen to its base or membership might lead to bad PR and might hurt them in an election? How could you be so inconsiderate? Your role is just to sit down and do nothing and accept whatever they say is true on MSNBC.
Way to stand up for Palestinians by letting an outright fascist make things even worse for Palestinians. I’m sure that’s gonna go great for people who love democracy as much as you, a person who could not check a box to protect trans rights, emergency services, vaccination, et very cetera.
What the fuck are you on?
The Israeli army intensively bombarded residential areas in Gaza when it lacked intelligence on the exact location of Hamas commanders hiding underground, and intentionally weaponized toxic byproducts of bombs to suffocate militants in their tunnels, an investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call can reveal.
The investigation, based on conversations with 15 Israeli Military Intelligence and Shin Bet officers who have been involved in tunnel-targeting operations since October 7, exposes how this strategy aimed to compensate for the army’s inability to pinpoint targets in Hamas’ subterranean tunnel network. When targeting senior commanders in the group, the Israeli military authorized the killing of “triple-digit numbers” of Palestinian civilians as “collateral damage,” and maintained close real-time coordination with U.S. officials regarding the expected casualty figures.
Some of these strikes, which were the deadliest in the war and often used American bombs, are known to have killed Israeli hostages despite concerns raised ahead of time by military officers. Moreover, the lack of precise intelligence meant that in at least three major strikes, the army dropped several 2,000-pound bunker-buster bombs that killed scores of civilians — part of a strategy known as “tiling” — without succeeding in killing the intended target.
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Israel’s efforts to maximize the chances of killing senior militants hiding underground also included attempts to crush parts of a tunnel network and trap the targets inside. Sources described incidents where vehicles fleeing an attack site were bombed without specific intelligence about who was inside, based on the assumption that a senior Hamas figure might be trying to escape.
“The entire region felt and heard the explosions,” Abdel Hadi Okal, a Palestinian journalist from Jabalia who witnessed several major Israeli bombing operations — which Palestinians often refer to as “fire belts” — during the early weeks of the war, told +972 and Local Call. “Entire residential blocks were targeted with heavy missiles, causing buildings to collapse and fall on top of each other. Ambulances and Civil Defense vehicles were unable to contend with the scale of the bombardment, so people had to use their hands and some light equipment to pull bodies from under the rubble of houses. There was no possibility for anyone to survive.”
https://www.972mag.com/tunnels-hamas-lethal-gas-bombs-gaza/
If you cared about Palestinians, you’d have supported the uncommitted movement a year ago. Instead, you’re here wasting everyones time lashing out at randoms on the internet because the Democrats campaign failed due to their own choices.
Did you even bother to look at the 100+ comments already in this thread, to realise you’re just the same as the other fucking morons who think random people on the internet criticising Democrats are the ones solely responsible for the Democrats losing the election? That it was their fault Democrats refused to move from endorsing genocide?
solely responsible
Strawman.
I am talking about a decision you made, as an individual - and which you still defend, here. What good was your principled stand? What on Earth was improved? What harm was minimized? Pounding the table about how bad things already were doesn’t change that they are now worse.
I am talking about a decision you made, as an individual
Jesus christ you’re a fucking moron. I’m not American. I can’t vote in US elections. I’m from the UK. I didn’t vote for Labour because they were also endorsing genocide. They still won the election.
What good was your principled stand? What on Earth was improved? What harm was minimized? Pounding the table about how bad things already were doesn’t change that they are now worse.
Why do you not ask those questions of Democratic party and its leadership, people who have actual power compared to random nobodies asked to tick a box once every 4 years?
What good was your principled stand (materially supporting and endorsing genocide)? What harm was minimised (murdering tens of thousands of Palestinians to defend Israel from consequences)? Pounding the table about how bad things are doesn’t change the way they keep getting worse (Democrats keep doubling down on genocide and being more racist, regardless of if they win or lose, and never change strategy).
Directed abuse over your own projected assumptions is not worth my time.
lmao like the projected assumptions I was from the US and voted in the election?
Again, did you think you were doing something that the 100+ comments in this thread hadn’t already litigated, fucking moron?
Sarcastic tone, but I was telling the truth there: It is the DNC’s fault. The policy and the defeat. And that fact is real cool for anyone who thinks that’s the important part.
I’m not mad about Uncommitted’s principles, and I don’t pin any moral blame on them. But I do think they have shitty tactics. This is a war. The RNC and DNC vs. us. If you have any chance to weaken your opponent, you take it. The Dems will never be your ally, so stop expecting them to.
Apologies, it came across as sarcastic but in the direction of defending DNC.
Trump won but you’re still arguing about Harris. Weird as fuck. Do you have anything relevant to say? Picking on the democrats is so last election.
If the DNC is planning to make the same mistakes, this will continue to be relevant. Given that Minority Leader Jefferies went to a Silicone Valley donor event last week and told attendees they would take the House in 2026 by, “reaching toward the center,” this kind of shit will be relevant for years to come.
I bet during the election you said “it’s to late to change anything, just vote democrat”
This is the magical time when we get to change things supposedly, so we will be having these discussions with or without you.
The Democrats in Washington failed us, and they won’t admit it or retire. So of course we are going to target them… Otherwise, they’ll try the same thing in 2 years and get the same result.
I’m afraid you don’t see any of the depth in politics. Different people have different goals, and we actually need to openly discuss their goals if we’re going to work together in the future.
Then have the Democrats shut up about voting Democrat whenever someone posts about Palestine. Democrats do not get to start a blame war and then pretend to be the victim
The democrats lost, the war is over, im australian but you americans had better get it together fast because your opposition is killing you. Stop arguing about the past and fight for the future. Seriously. The best i can hope for right now is that the USA goes so badly wrong that even your average bogan Aussie votes left. Kamala is such old news, focusing on her is a distraction that seems designed to let the broligarchy slide.
Before election
Stop fighting we need unity during the election!
After election
Stop fighting there is only 4 years until the next election!
Before election:
Fuck Kamala
After election:
Fuck Kamala
You got anything to say about what’s actually happening?
You got anything to say about what’s actually happening
Capitalism.
But, that is what is happening. The DNC seems to be learning the wrong lessons from their loss. I have no reason to believe they will do better in the future until they realize they are out of touch and need to stop blaming the voters.
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Its very confusibg that you go after the dnc
It’s really not. They’re one of the two parties in the two party system that our government is rigged to prop up.
Amazing it’s like you are literally unable to read my comment.
“Damn, you’re all still talking about that Hitler guy? That was decades ago!”
Who gives a fuck? Stop trying to sew division and relitigate an election that ended three months ago. Fuck the politics of division. The left needs unity now. Fuck the dividers.
What we need is electoral reform so more then two political parties can run for office with no spoiler effect.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
And after the behavior of democrats in the last election and after, I no longer want to unify with them. Blue MAGA
Why should the left work with liberals, who propped up the genocide and refused to work with the Left?
People who support genocidal democrats aren’t the left nor were they ever the left. They’re milquetoast liberals happy that at least trump is protecting their 401ks.
The dividers are Democrats trying to blame their loss on people who refused to support their genocide.
They want to learn nothing from the election and have turned their propaganda to justify their loss into overdrive.
What does the paragraph right below the one with a red square around it say
It says that few of the people responsible for dividing the Democratic party will be held responsible.
The paragraph below that one explains how Democrats such as Fetterman are trying to shift the blame on groups alienated by the Democratic party.
I don’t understand all the focus on John Fetterman as somehow being representative of the Democratic party writ large. It’s blatant that his personality has changed since his stroke, and I’d wager he’s going to lose his next primary if he even tries to run again
Because Democrats have done nothing to pressure him into changing his position, and Democrats like Fetterman have absolutely been at the forefront of all the attempts to blame people who cared about Palestinians enough to try and get Democrats to change policy for their campaign and policy failures.
Well good thing trump is president now eh? Right? RIGHT???
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I’m remembering now why I blocked the hexbear instance 😂
