• andrewth09@lemmy.world
    13·
    5 hours ago

    I cannot understand the true believers. The people who are saying (1) its a Roman salute or (2) its a “My heart goes out to you” gesture.

    They can twist themselves into knots with any other conspiracy theory, but cannot imagine the richest/smartest man to ever exist could figure out how to throw out a plausibly deniable Nazi salute.

    This is Sideshow Bob explaining his DIE BART DIE tattoo.

    We are being gaslit by half a country. That was a Nazi salute.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    81·
    7 hours ago

    Just in case you were unclear. Although some people will pretend to be confused and that this is ambiguous.

  • Kaity@leminal.spaceEnglish
    24·
    10 hours ago

    there are 2 salutes in the USA, o7 and hand over heart. This was very explicitly what it “appears to” be, and there is no excuse.

    • eureka@aussie.zoneEnglish
      19·
      10 hours ago

      It’s not news to anyone paying attention, but that weird Tesla fanatic uncle is going to find it a bit harder to rationalise an actual unambiguous world-famous Nazi gesture. We’ve even got those worshippers over here, and anyone reasonable who was on the fence with their pro-Musk proselyting can’t overlook something this clear.

      • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7·
        10 hours ago

        but that weird Tesla fanatic uncle is going to find it a bit harder to rationalise an actual unambiguous world-famous Nazi gesture

        We’re already seeing their responses in the wild. They’re just denying it was a Nazi salute. And playing the “woke cancel culture leftists are taking him out of context” card.

        • eureka@aussie.zoneEnglish
          7·
          10 hours ago

          And playing the “woke cancel culture leftists are taking him out of context” card.

          An Australian neo-Nazi speaker recently pulled this coward move too, laughably. (Context: in their jurisdiction, the salute is illegal*).

          Nazi promotion event 1: After […] performing the Nazi salute, Mr Richardson asked the crowd if he was “going be fined now”. [1]

          Nazi promotion event 2: i-i was just waving at my friend Beryl in the back row and they screencapped it out of context, it wasn’t a salute :( leftism gone mad

          Don’t worry, antifascists bashed their office door in on Christmas regardless.

        • eureka@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          9 hours ago

          You’re right, and I think I forgot to mention this in my reply - will people looking at those fans overlook it? When Musk was seen by many as a brilliant humanitarian ethical billionaire championing green vehicles and space innovation, that could be persuasive to typical people. But it’s harder for typical people to respect any praise them now they’ve clearly unmasked themselves on a stage as a nazi.

    • vindEnglish
      471·
      12 hours ago

      he did it twice, with the hand going from the chest out. No chance it was accidental

    • EmilieEvans@lemmy.ml
      12·
      12 hours ago

      Not even a well-executed one either. I suppose back in the dark days he would be beaten up for this performance/disrespect to the Führer.

      Stunning is also the TV commentary going in the direction of he had no idea it was the Hitler salute (to be fair two weeks prior he called Hitler a communist in a talk/interview with the chancellor candidate of the German neonazi party) …

      Not knowing a thing about a movement that killed millions and happened within the last 100 years is bad. Being rich doesn’t mean being educated & civil.

      • eureka@aussie.zoneEnglish
        8·
        10 hours ago

        If you’ve seen any leaked footage from neo-Nazi orgs, they’re surprisingly garbage at performing the salute. It’s actually amazing.

  • drascus@sh.itjust.works
    13·
    12 hours ago

    So at what point do you actually become a Nazi is it when start doing the seig heils or do you need to be like goose stepping down the street first?

    • averyminya@beehaw.org
      3·
      4 hours ago

      So it’s the Roman salute, it’s the Bellamy salute, or… He just gave the fucking Nazi salute.

      I’m aware your comment is probably sarcasm, can I’d rather not downplay something like this.

    • bassomitron@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      12 hours ago

      Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, attributed to the Roman salute, a gesture that was popularly believed to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

      But yes, an obscure salute that was only used for a couple of decades over 80 years ago is very American…

    • Donkter@lemmy.world
      18·
      12 hours ago

      Unfortunately for you, context matters. No matter how American this used to be you can’t plan to do a salute like this without planning for it to have clear connotations with the Nazi salute.