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The country’s prime minister said the incident, the latest in a series of disruptions to undersea infrastructure, underscored the danger of a so-called Russian shadow fleet.
At least Finland is fighting for the good of humanity.
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Russian bingo card
- Cut under sea cables
- Shoot down passenger airplanes
- Poison people in horrible ways on other countries
- Having a large part of the population being unable to pass windows without falling out
- Invade countries (and thereby violating the treaty you signed saying you would not, making you as trustworthy as a Ferengi)
- Commit genocide
- I’m sure im missing more but i already got Bingo, yay!
Buy off incoming dementia riddled president.
They bought off musk? I thought he was already a POS
Musk is ketamine-addled, his puppet is dementia-riddled.
I think Russia would gladly not buy Putin
- Deny / Discredit / Deflect Although those aren’t uniquely Russian
You allow Russia to invade one country, you invite Russia to invade the next country.
You allow Russia to shoot down one passenger plane, you invite Russia to shoot down the next passenger plane.
You allow Russia to cut one undersea cable, you invite Russia to cut more undersea cables.
Appeasement just means more lebensraum.
The West must fucking find its balls and acknowledge that we are in a hybrid war against the blyats. It is high fucking time we fight back. Using every means short of direct military conflict.
Unlike the previous ships, this one was immediately seized by armed forces, so I guess we’re starting to wake up.
To my knowledge, it was escorted to Finland from international waters by the coast guard, after which the police quick-response task unit stormed the bridge via helicopter. Had the ship refused to leave international waters, there’s nothing they could have done. I applaud them for their boldness and aggression, but luck also played a role. As far as I’m aware, the previous ships never entered any country’s territorial waters.
The previous ships weren’t seen with hard evidence. This one had a missing anchor.
Apparently there are also some actions available on international waters where also countering pirates lies
Why should we stop short?
Russia is actively in combat with an Eastern European nation and has been for 4 years. It’s arguable that the rest of Europe and the West engaging with Russia on a battlefield would actually save more lives in the end by shortening the conflict.
They can’t make war if you remove their means to make war.Because it’s far more effective to wage an asymmetric non-shooting war. We have far more resources than the blyats could muster. We could outcompete them 100-fold in every fucking dimension. we could gradually weaken them until their miserable state crumbles. All without the devastation of war.
Short of? Eastern Europe is being invaded and Europe is standing by…
Rbf, I think they’re waiting for the real* Europe to be invaded.
- subject to change.
So I’m guessing next they’ll exclude Poland from the definition of “real” Europe
Poland is in NATO, that would trigger Article V. How much more “real” do you want it to be?
It will take another 20-30 years before the Russians recover enough from their current losses to even start considering attacking a neighbouring country that can fight back.
If they defeat Ukraine on the battlefield Moldova and Georgia would be pushovers
I did say a country that can fight back. Moldova and Georgia aren’t going to align themselves with NATO and won’t receive the funding and arms that Ukraine has.
People talking about Poland being next are delusional.
With the losses the russians suffered in their invasion of Ukraine, Poland alone could, quite heavily, stomp on grabby russian fingers. Not to mention that our brothers would not stand alone.
Estonia, Latvia, and Moldova seem to be the next likely targets.
I studier the west is fully aware of that, and is fighting it on multiple fonts
We need to stop pretending that nuclear armament is an excuse to trample other countries with this childish crap.
Cut their internet and declare their currency holdings forfeit. Ban all travel to Russia. Force all companies to divest their holdings in Russia. Eject them from the UN.
Force them to live alone and if China joins in, then start ramping up production and give 'em the same treatment.
Keeping it tense between them and China is so good, alone theyll never make it. Watching Putin the panty poisoner and Xi Pooh bear give each other crusty blowjobs and get nothing from it is top 👌
If Europe and the US refused to trade with anyone who trades with Russia, China would embargo Russia in about half a second.
China knows we can’t stop importing all the garbage they send us. They have the markets cornered in so many items and materials that we really can’t embargo them.
We could, but we prefer comfort, so we don’t. That seems to sum up where society is today.
Climate change? People who leave their car running while shopping so it stays cool don’t care about genocide or war as long as it’s far away. And honestly, I can’t entirely blame them—I probably grew up ignorant about some issues too.
We can’t afford to furnish our houses without china. And our US big businesses know it. It’s how they were able to keep wages so stagnant for so long, they were leaning on cheap Chinese TVs and plastics.
Yes we prefer checks notes having batteries
It’s kinda interesting when you think about it. If the US politics had actually been pro worker/union for the past 60 years, we would’ve had protections and increased production/economical stability in the country by just giving it’s own citizens power. Instead they’ve given china the power of production and influence while creating a hostile environment for competition and success state side.
I dance between some people being so ignorant they have no clue what they’re doing and some are just hired CEO politicians selling the country off as much as they can squeeze before it goes under and they scurry away with their nest eggs.
We didn’t do it, CEOs and investors did it.
First they wanted more profit that cheaper labor provided, then they realized if we were all distracted by $200 TVs and cheap plastic based couches and clothes, we’d complain less about our stagnant wages at home.
Nah I thought Temu level consuming. The single use vapes. The trash machine.
Yeah, it was recently revealed how much fucking absolute junk Finnish people order from Temu and other chinese horror story online stores. And then some of those people were interviewed and their attitude was “fuck you, I saved 20%”.
At least in the US, tons of IKEA (your scandi neighbor) is made in china too.
They have a near monopoly on basic things like screw production too.
What would India do?
What’s good for it.
Nice, and what do u do for work?
I make matrioshka dolls in a factory in the west. I endorse this strategy.
Keep maintaining a shortsighted extreme position on every topic and you’ll never be promoted to supervisor at the matrioshka doll factory, just like ur entire western matrioshka doll industry has fallen to decay after years of western hubris and self declared exceptionalism
Can’t tell if being serious or you actually get the joke and are being deliberately ridiculous…
I work directly with strategic weapons systems as part of the Department of Defense and agree with the message. How about you?
Even mentioning that on the internet makes you a target and could impact your security clearance.
Thank God for Finland.
What does China even stand to gain from this behavior? Like, what do they have against Finland or Scandinavia in general? Is this something to do with Ukraine?
The East wants NATO to destroy itself through disunity.
This ship is not really chinese. It’s registered to the cook islands, seems to be owned by an indian company, and the captain is georgian. It turns out that the nation of origin doesn’t have absolute control over all the actions of its citizens.
Though if a chinese ship gets seized in international waters, that would be convenient ‘precedent’ for china to start seizing other ships in international waters in the south china sea
From the article:
In a statement, the police in Finland said the authorities had boarded the Eagle S tanker in Finnish waters.
So no international waters in this case. In fact there are no international waters in the Baltic Sea ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_waters )
Just start ‘accidentally’ sinking the fucking ships that ‘accidentally’ cut the cables and that will get the message across.
That assumes Russia gives a shit about it’s people.
Tap for spoiler
Russia does not give a shit.
Best use of spoiler ever…
Let’s not sink a tanker full of gasoline into an already polluted baltic sea.
Then just do what Egypt did to some ships, seize them for an investigation and do it over 40 years while the crew is detained.
We need to go a lot further than this, but yes.
I’m just waiting for the moment when a country exposed to “accidental” cable cutting, or attacks using water jets from the Chinese coast guard or similar, just responds by shooting first and asking questions later.
Like: You cut our cables/blocked our atoll from getting resupply, etc… put a 50mm in their face and carry on. Let them do the responding.
“Oh no, they were conducting acts of war and were in our way, so we sank them. What are you gonna do about it? Maybe stop doing that?”
Do you think that they’re not trying to provoke a reaction?
Oh but they crave escalation. Like any bully, they want the victim to respond violently, because that would justify their actions and let them respond in kind, saying they are just protecting their security.
Even those ship arrests are fodder for their internal propaganda - “They just started arresting innocent Chinese ships with russian crews! Barbarians AND Facists!”
Trust me, bullies back down after escalation. Ever punch a bully in the lip?
“They were coming right at my boat! I feared for the lives of my crew.”
Sink the damned thing.
Don’t be silly. The thing is full of perfectly good oil (that would contaminate everything of you sank it), but which can pay for part of cable repairs, once nobody pays up from the Cook Islands or the “owner” company.
Time to ban anchors.
