I know that while pregnant, the digestion slows down, to try to wring more nutrition from what you eat. I also know that I eat about the same as my ex and my husband and both managed to get fat. Also I drop weight when stressed and maintain a normal BMI when not so stressed, but others I know gain when stressed.
It all is very interesting to me, but so strange that it’s broken for so many people, and most all in the direction of overweight.
Might explain why I can barely gain weight, once had a camp week where me and a friend had the exact same food intake and exercise but he gained 2kg while I lost 3kg.
Sofar doctors have thought I just had a fast metabolism but seems like there could be more at play.
That’s pretty interesting. This could be the basis of a new weight-loss drug that works by limiting calorie absorption rather than regulating hunger cues.
I’m going to be mildly annoyed if the fat acceptance latches on to this as yet another study validating their belief that they can’t lose weight.
Limiting oil absorption in the intestines sounds like a recipe for greasy diarrhea like Olestra caused.
It is. Ask anyone with pancreatic insufficiency.
I was gonna say, we already tried this.
Ooh, diarrhea chips!
Just ask anyone with gallbladder problems…
I actually went and skimmed the study, this is a very good article I would say in terms of lack of sensationalizing. That is exactly the main takeaway; perhaps we can get food (fat specifically) to ‘pass through’ us without being absorbed by the body. A fascinating possibility, if perhaps wasteful.
I’m going to be mildly annoyed if the fat acceptance latches on to this as yet another study validating their belief that they can’t lose weight.
On the very first page of the study:
The predominant increase in fat and calorie-dense food consumption worldwide has contributed substantially to the ongoing pandemic of obesity and metabolic disorders
Essentially what they’ve discovered is that they can interrupt a process that occurs normally in everyone, whenever there are fats in your intestine. The headline alone gives the impression of possibly being related to “set-point” theory, in which thinner people’s brains are just tuned differently. So yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see this start popping up in the spaces despite not supporting the stance at all
These drugs already exist. But they have a bunch of side effects.
Rebound effects from thinking you can eat more because of the drugs and fat stool are the most obvious ones.
They already exist? I’ve never heard of them.
their belief that they can’t lose weight.
For a lot of people it’s a poverty and lack of healthcare thing…
Even just annual checkups are a huge help because weight is being tracked and someone gets early and continuous warnings their health is being impacted.
They have as much control as someone trying to lift themselves up by their bootstraps.
If they can’t escape poverty and gain access to healthcare… They’re less likely to maintain a healthy weight.
That’s valid. I was thinking more about the nuisances on Tik Tok who peddle straight-up health disinformation.
Yeah, that’s bullshit.
Poverty isn’t exactly helping, but there are more than enough people with enough resources and excessive body weight.
In the US, ¾ of the population is overweight, are you suggesting ¾ of the population is poor?
I used to be fat. It’s not a monetary issue. In fact, I lost weight when I moved out and had very little money.
One person says losing weight is possible because they did it once. Another person says they cannot lose weight because they’ve been trying for years and it’s not happening. Which one is true? Must be the one that I’m most closely aligned with!
One person ignoring the statistics offered by another to roll in the manure of their own smugness.
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For a lot of people
What about that phrase made you interpret it as “everyone”?
In fact, I lost weight when I moved out and had very little money
This makes it sound like your young and still had the metabolism of a teenager… Losing that is what makes most people gain weight. While some people can be overweight with it, it’s still literally the easiest time in your life to lose weight.
It would have been much harder if you were fully grown.
From my own experience I’m approaching 40 and I can estimate my weight based off the calories I’ve consumed and how much I’ve worked out since the last time I weighed myself within a couple pounds. It’s not exactly in line with any of those estimator apps but it is fairly consistent I assume this is because I have a slower metabolism. Pretty much everyone I know who struggles to lose weight makes terrible choices even when they’re trying. You can account that to cravings or impulse control or whatever but everyone that stuck to an appropriate plan has succeeded. It’s a matter of figuring out how your body works and sticking to a plan but it is not easy.
For you, yeah.
For most people even, sure.
But not everyone, there’s an absolute shit ton of natural human variation on top of conditions/diseases that effect that.
Like, some people react to a normal diet by their body drastically cutting energy expenditure to try and maintain fat reserves.
Billions of years of evolution says carrying around as much fat as possible is the optimal choice, and different people have different traits to maintain those energy reserves which used to be the most important part of physical fitness.
Like, of any possible addiction, an addiction to a high calorie diet should make the most sense to people.
That’s where the part about understanding how your body works comes into it. It’s certainly harder for some people than others but your body cannot maintain fat without the building blocks to do so and you can restrict these between diet and exercise.
This explains so much about my guts
The scientific and social study of obesity has shown that it is a complex bodily disorder, the causes of which are multiple and varied, and may include genetic and epigenetic factors, diet and eating habits, socioeconomic status, and personal and social lifestyles.
Wtf?
Yes, there’s a lot involved, but excusing away obesity as genetic ignores that 99% of it is behavioural. Just look at the explosion of Type II diabetes, which is pretty much all caused by diet.
Growing up, there were exactly 2 obese kids in our school, from first grade through 12th (across all grades). Those kids had a genetic cause to their obesity.
Today we have a much higher rate - I’m not buying that genetics drastically changed over the last few decades.
The elephant in the room is a combination of bullshit from governmental agencies (the lie of the food pyramid anyone?), nonsense from the medical community (fat in our diet isn’t the driver of cardiovascular disease or obesity, it’s unstable glucose, something that’s been well known since the early 90’s), pushing a high-carb diet in the 80’s, which was a lie that ran counter to what doctors advised for diabetetics since the 1930’s!
Dude, go talk to a bariatric specialist. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
You ever even look into the advances in bariatric medicine the last decade? Ever help treat a bariatric patient? 99% behaviorial is utter bullshit, and does not match currer best information.
Genetics didn’t likely change, but epigenetics is how our systems respond to conditions in and around us. And that absolutely can and has changed in the last fifty years, and was changing before that.
How our food is process impacts the entire endocrine system, our microbiota in not only the gut, but the entire body. We’ve got massive increases in environmental contamination over the same kind of timeline, which can not only directly effect systemic function, it can change epigenetics in the womb, and the actual genes themselves.
99% behaviorial my hairy ass.
Even that part is influenced by how food is processed, since there’s enough shit in anything you grow, even when you’re growing it yourself to play a factor. Actual processed foods are literally designed to trigger our brains and kick off addictions to the added fats and sugars.
That kind of bullshit is the same kind of brainless thing that leads to people thinking vaccines cause autism. There’s a metric buttload of data pointing to both weight gain and difficulty in weight loss being heavily influenced by external factors, but you’re in here like “nuh-uh, my data set of two fat kids in school says no”
Former fatty. It was 100% behavioral. CICO. Physics. Some people need help, no denying that. But rigorously limiting and counting my intake, and estimating my output from added activity with fitness trackers, while also altering my diet to include more volume, less caloric density to stop feeling so hungry, 100% worked. And I learned to be hungry and that the world wasn’t going to end if I was hungry for a little while until it was meal time. I had plenty of caloric surplus and my body was being a little bitch.
Anyhow, anecdata of one that supports the control what goes in your facehole camp.
Dude, you don’t get it at all.
You can scream until you’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t contradict massive amounts of data and research done by people that have actual training in human physiology.
You, as one person, are just one data point. And that’s not how science works. It isn’t, and never will be.
IDGAF what you believe, you can believe your farts are magic and grant wishes for all that. But it doesn’t matter when it comes to reproducible data. And it is reproducible. The research on it all has been covered in multiple ways by multiple studies.
So, yay for you! You got fat by stuffing your giant mouth in an attempt to fill the hole in your brain, and lost the weight. Congratulations. It still has nothing to do with the current state of understanding of human metabolism.
There is variability in the human metabolism, for sure, but CICO is thermodynamics. There’s not a person on the planet who can gain weight without eating.
Former porkchop here as well. It’s all behavioral.
Yes there are external factors that can influence behavior, but at the end of the day it can’t be reduced further than that.
I am exhausted by the collective delusion and endless disavowing of any form of personal responsibility for one’s own dietary intake. Focus on the external factors, always, never look at choices because then it becomes a “they” problem not a “me” problem.
How is a list of seven(!) different analyzed potential factors reduced by you with a “wtf” to one of those?
And then followed by an anecdote, a correlated studies off topic to the study described and a bit of conspiracy theory (note: one of the few I even support myself, but i’s out of scope of this article!).
You’re actively harming the points you want to make by jumping onto the wrong targets.
I think they’re just saying that they found another link to obesity causing things. On the flip side of this my family can eat literally anything we want and not a single one of us is more than 130 pounds(all somewhere between 5’7 and 6’). I mean I’ve watched my brother slam 4 eggs, two slices of cheesecake, and half a gallon of milk for breakfast. He also tried to gain weight for two months by upping his calorie intake to somewhere around 6K calories a day. He gained like a pound and dropped it cause it was expensive…
We can only gain weight by adding muscle. My other brother was in the military and heaviest he ever weighed was after training. It’s been a few decades since then and he’s right back to his earlier weight.
I’ve been told by many that oh as you age that metabolism is gonna slow and you’ll start putting on the pounds. There is some truth to that but not as extreme as others.
My 70+ year old mother is 103 pounds. She might gain a few pounds if she has 2-3 shakes in a week(this also means she’s just on a sweets binge in general). All that’s required to lose it? Not have shakes the next week. Mind you this is someone who had 4 children and left the hospital after pregnancy within a few pounds of their pre-pregnancy weight.
So genetics is absolutely a factor and I’m all for them uncovering what that link is and researching it. The more we understand things the better.
I’d like to put on some weight…even fat. Cause I’m literally low single digit fat percentage right now which isn’t healthy either. Mind you I have a desk job. Not like I’m the epitome of active people.
The elephant in the room is a combination of bullshit from governmental agencies (the lie of the food pyramid anyone?), nonsense from the medical community (fat in our diet isn’t the driver of cardiovascular disease or obesity, it’s unstable glucose, something that’s been well known since the early 90’s), pushing a high-carb diet in the 80’s, which was a lie that ran counter to what doctors advised for diabetetics since the 1930’s!
Domestic terrorist spotted.
You should see my '89 year book. Almost no one was even slightly overweight except for the biggest jocks. I see people every day that would have shocked us in the 80s and 90s.
My friend across the street is grossly obese. His best friend just calls him “chubby”, but really fat. Told him the guy would have been the fattest kid in my senior class (excepting the jocks).
My theory is this: People keep seeing people bigger than themselves and saying, “I might be fat, but at least I’m not that fat!” Rinse and repeat.
