According to NY legal code, it is not murder if:
The defendant acted under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse, the reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a person in the defendant’s situation under the circumstances as the defendant believed them to be.
this is where jury nullification comes in.
It was murder.
Bootlicker says what?
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Which is why you told someone this hour that they shouldn’t be considered human.
ouch. talk about a boomerang
Oof
Trying to get someone to think a different way.
When you insult people it’s because you have nothing intelligent to say.
If only someone said this to the man while he was alive, maybe he would have seen people as other than red numbers on the balance sheet.
You don’t know this man or how he thought.
With a response like that, you should’ve kept quiet
bait used to be much harder to do back in the day
I dunno, I think it might be a suicide.
If I could get in the jury I would absolutely say ‘not guilty’ and just not be moved.
On the colloquial sense, sure, but it’s entirely possible (and would be hilarious) for the legal definition not to agree
How so? (sincere question)edit: I misread and thought it was claiming a specific legal possibility
I’m not specifically saying that this particular case isn’t murder, but if the quote we’re all responding to is accurate then there’s explicitly a way it could be considered “not murder”. I know absolutely nothing about the relevant law, but legal definitions not quite matching common sense definitions is the case more often than not, I think
Interestingly, I just saw a post claiming:
According to NY legal code, it is not murder if:
The defendant acted under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse, the reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a person in the defendant’s situation under the circumstances as the defendant believed them to be.
Given how composed they are and premeditated it was, I’m not sure if this is in the spirit of the legal clause, but it could be… interpreted liberally by a judge.
Insanity can make a person very … Focused.
Interpreted by the jury.
It’s murder.
Thanks for supplying your legal expertise pro bono, but we’re going to need a citation of relevant legislative definition if you’re going to make broad claims like that about legal matters.
It’s dinner
Maybe it’ll become true if you keep saying it over and over!!!
Yes so is capital punishment, wars and just like those this is also justified. He was judged by millions of his victims and his peers and executed.
I mean it was murder. Premeditated, planned etc.
But he murdered the right person :)
Yes so is capital punishment.
Fuck capital punishment.
Absolutely but in extremes of cases maybe it is justified.
He was a mass murderer so in this case IMHO it is justified.
It was necessary, because he was not going to see punishment otherwise.
In a just society, he’d be in jail forever. Once again, Fuck the Capital Punishment, even in extreme Cases.
I don’t think capital punishment (murdering a helpless person in custody) is ever justified. It’s just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
What we have here could be an act of societal self-defense, where the target was in the process of actively harming millions of people, and the legal system wasn’t doing anything to stop it. Whether or not it was self-defense or just a pre-paid hit for some other reason I can’t say, and neither can I judge whether it was justified or not. I just think it’s categorically different from capital punishment.
That’s not what happened. He was murdered unjustly.
What is your basis behind the belief that his murder was unjust.
He didn’t do anything to deserve murder.
After someone’s responsible for the deaths of thousands, and suffering of millions more? Even beyond what he did or didn’t “deserve,” it was simply a practical choice to put him down and prevent him from hurting anyone else.
He didn’t kill anyone.
You’re saying that anyone who works at any company should be killed. (Including yourself assuming you actually have a job.)
Sounds like you just might be the CEO of Aetna or some shit.
He is a mass murderer.
People would say he was personally responsible for death and destruction of millions by making up reasons to deny them the necessary care for life and health of them and their loved ones. For me there is minimal difference between him and Hitler, Stalin, Putin.
Do I condone murdering them like they murdered others, no. But at the same time I can’t condemn anyone who has done it nor feel bad for the dead.
Oh neat…look a downvote. Here, you should have it.
A self defense murder, which is a legal type of murder.
This was easily more popular than either candidate in the last election. They should make it a national holiday.
🦀
A national day of mourning.
Maybe like a day of rememberance highlighting all the people killed yearly in the name of health insurance profits
A national day of celebration! 💫 🎉 🥳
That’s sick.
In the words of UnitedHealth: claim denied.
Sick would be rejecting over a third of the people who expected their coverage to do what it says on the box— cover them. Sick would be letting people suffer and die in the name of profits.
Sick as hell 😎
Being disgusting isn’t a good thing.
Agreed, but the good news is you can stop any time.
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Hell yeah bro. Come join us.
For a single rich dude? Come on. Most couldn’t care less about random people they don’t know dying, why should we go out of our way to mourn this guy, who, by the way, made it his life goal to put profits over people?
If you know the identity of the shooter, no you don’t.
He was a terrorist, and he got what he deserved.
The anti hero does not negotiate with the terrorist.
He Obama’d this Osama.
"Compassion withheld until documentation can be produced that determines the bullet holes were not a preexisting condition,” one user responded.
enough reporting about him, on to the next guy
I feel like this bell curve is reversed
Lorenz, who was a technology reporter for The New York Times from 2019 to 2022 and a columnist for the Washington Post from 2022 to earlier this year, also posted the photo of another insurance company CEO with a birthdate and a blank date of death. (That post has since been removed.) And she reposted a post that said: “hypothetically, would it be considered an actionable threat to start emailing other insurance CEOs a simple, ‘you’re next’?”
God damn that rivals some of what I’ve read here
Edit:
She added, “Me surfacing commentary that OTHER people post like Jenny, is not me endorsing those people and their posts. I can’t believe I have to explain to a reporter in 2024 that retweets are not endorsements.”
Don’t be emailing people stupid shit unless you want to police to fuck with you.
Use common sense.
While we are at, you don’t have to cry when your enemy dies either. Maybe other execs will get a hint.
I love the “alarming experts” part.
It sounds to me like a professional hit. The guy used a silencer and when his gun jammed he cleared the jam and got off a couple more shots. I’d be willing to bet $1 that this is a rich investor on rich CEO hit because the guy sold his stocks without disclosing to investors that the company was under investigation for massive fraud causing the investors to lose massive amounts of money when the story broke in the press.
Law enforcement officials told NBC News they found the words “deny,” “defend” and “depose,” written on the shell casings found at the shooting scene. Those words seem to echo the title of a 2010 book, “Delay Deny Defend,” whose subtitle is, “Why insurance companies don’t pay claims and what you can do about it.”
Sounds personal.
And what kind of a pro assassin goes to Starbucks before doing the hit and then rides off into the sunset on an ebike?
They rode off on an e-bike? That’s hilarious.
I don’t think it’s particularly interesting either way. Rich guy on rich guy is boring. It doesn’t mean anything. Disgruntled poor guy on rich guy is boring. It’s just a vendetta. Now, activist on evil CEO as the beginning of final chapter of end stage capitalism, that’s interesting.
when agent 47 need to do the optional objective to get the bonus
It sounds to me like a professional hit. The guy used a silencer and when his gun jammed he cleared the jam and got off a couple more shots
I’m no gun expert, but this doesn’t sound special or advanced. Just seems like basic research and planning after checking how previous assassinations have failed. From what I’ve seen there are plenty of suggestions it was amateur but reasonably-well planned.
I’ve heard that the silencer may have had an impact on the bolt returning properly. If so he may have been aware of this already as he very quickly dealt with the stoppage.
He practised, is what I’m suggesting.
Probably not the silencer but the use of subsonic ammo.
it could be the combination of the two. suppressors commonly induce failures to eject in tilting barrel designs without the use of a nielson device, and if he had used subsonics, that would also be a contributing factor to a failure to eject.
The thing that makes this potentially professional isn’t the gun use but the intel needed to find this guy at the right place and time. The killer either had inside info or had been surveilling him for a while.
Disagree. This is someone with some training who lost a family member to the denial of healthcare. Losing money doesn’t produce murderous rage. Losing family does.
The LOL part is that narrows down the suspect list to millions
That’s a possibility but it’s not a very interesting story. I like the idea of an anti-capitalist activist performing the first act of the end of late stage capitalism.
Why not both
There is that.
Losing money absolutely does provoke murderous rage, in some people. That’s how we wound up living in a reality with billionaires to begin with.
If they’re an investor they already have money. Why ruin a good life? This was the act of someone with nothing to lose.
Except that after the drop when the investigation was made public, it’s doing better than it was just prior to the announcement.
So unless an investor decided to sell at its lowest point, which is unlikely, they’ve actually made money since that news came out
Maybe that’s the play.
A professional would have a lighter return spring in the slide to not jam on subsonics. In fact, an amateur with half a brain would have as well.
Serious tinfoil but this theory is about as valid as the current narrative.
We just don’t know why this happened, we just know that it it did.
What we are getting from media is dead exec and bullets with words… everything else is just online discourse making up theories or cheering dead exec.
No that i can’t about either (i don’t cry over bad things happening tot bad people when country is full of decent people getting fucked over) but story is developing. People can hate this PoS and he could have been killed by some oligarch.
The guy used a silencer and when his gun jammed he cleared the jam and got off a couple more shots.
that’s something you could do with about five minutes of training. if he was a “professional”, he probably would’ve used a nielson device, or, if he just had some shitty turkish oil filter, a non-tilting barrel design, like a hi-point, so the suppressor doesn’t induce malfunctions. he also probably would’ve waited a little bit further down the guy’s path. he pulled off his hit in broad view of a camera which was directly behind him, and he stopped for starbucks and a couple protein bars down the street, and left his garbage on site. none of these things matter too much since the police are pretty bad at their job, but if the feds get involved, things might take a different turn, and little mistakes like those add up. if his gun had jammed more severely, he might not have been successful at all. no, this speaks to me as a kind of amateur endeavor.
now, it’s still somewhat unlikely, but it is, I suppose, possible, that he was still hired. actual hitmen would probably tend to be so professional that you will basically never see them, like the guy that probably killed the boeing whistleblower, or part of some obviously state sanctioned special forces unit. The can also be unprofessional schmucks that are willing to just eat the sentence for an organized crime syndicate, and in less high profile cases, they can just be random people down on their luck who are willing to kill for a couple thousand dollars and know someone who’s willing to pay that fee, which never really works out too well.
I think that many American gravy seals grossly overestimate what a regular person can do with “five minutes of training” during an actual shooting situating. Look at Uvalde. Did those hundreds of cops who choked and let those children be murdered have “five minutes of training”? Murder fantasies are one thing but actually being in the street with a gun in your hand shooting someone and trying to get away without some other asshole with murder fantasies pulling out a gun and blasting away with no consideration for any innocent unintentional backstop is a whole different ball of wax. Look at those traitorous asshole in the speakers lobby. They planned to murder Mike Pence and other Members if Congress right up until a bullet ripped through Ashli Babbitt’s chest and they realized, “Holy shit, they’re shooting white people out here.” My shooting buddy who did three tours of duty as an infantryman in Norther Ireland during the troubles, two as a combat medic in Bosnia, and many years as a street cop says of weekend warriors in ill-fitting, mismatched, surplus store body armor with consumer grade military lookalike guns and collective murder fantasies, “It all changes when you’re on a two way range.”
Your analysis was funny, though. Thanks for the morning laugh.
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Cool story, bro.
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I was unaware but didn’t care. I assumed that OC was joking.
