• iii@mander.xyz
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    5 days ago

    is hogwash that mainstream media perpetuates because it gets views, right?

    No, I do not know that. Please explain

    At least under the Australian system, far more money is spent trying to “catch” them, than is spent on them.

    Assume far more money is being spend on fire prevention, than what’s currently lost in fire. Then that’s not an argument pro, nor contra, fire prevention.

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      4 days ago

      Assume far more money is being spend on fire prevention, than what’s currently lost in fire

      For anyone reading this thinking that this may sound like a good rebuttal: it’s a false equivalence.

      Fire prevention is a worthwhile expenditure, because things being on fire when they shouldn’t is generally very bad. The cost of fire prevention is worth it, especially when lives are at stake.

      Benefit cheat-catching is (or at least should be) purely about net savings. What happens though is the costs outweigh the savings making them pointless, as well as hurting those in who accidently get caught in the net too.

      Don’t fall for specious arguments, folks! A pithy rebutally might sound convincing at first, but don’t be afraid to think deeper about it. And don’t be afraid to ignore the commenter if you believe they’re arguing in bad faith.

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        The argument for prevention is in that case that if there was no prevention, more people would start cheating, and this is not proven at all either. So your point stands.

        The fact that these organisations still no not have lists of medical issues that are incurable and therefore do not need reassessment if proof that the system is designed to fuck with people.

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          4 days ago

          Another point is that the more money the government spends on people the less it will have to spend on Israel’s genocide or the Military Indistral Complex in general. If the state is to be used as a tool for fascism then starving the state becomes a way of resisting evil.

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            Ok but alternatively that money could go to public works programs instead. Money that would’ve been spent on people faking disability could be spent on things like transit that improve the lives of the disabled and everyone else.

            You aren’t wrong it’s just that there’s no way the government in question will pay disability over military industrial expenditures