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    “Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community.”

    “Wow people who disagree with us really are fucking dumb ahah”

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    They are either Russian trolls or children who have a Disney level perspective on politics, I think. They don’t want to recognize that they have very limited options or the harsh realities surrounding them.

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      Disney level perspective would be to vote for the same people who do genocide because the say the other side would be worst.

      Carrot people are fucking disguisting

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          I’m saying your “sides” are your responsibility as an american. If you vote for genocide, americans will become ennemies. I will start to spit and harass yank tourists coming here lmao

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    Yeah but those people helping Trump get elected are the Dems pretending genocide is fine. Say what you want about lesser evil but it really isn’t the smartest political move to alienate voters who think genocide is bad. The messaging of “if you draw the line at genocide then you’re the problem” and blaming voters for not vibing with that instead of, for example, dropping support for Israel and stopping the genocide is just straight up terrible politics. You should be mad at Dems for royally fucking the campaign up instead at people for not buying into this bullshit. Did you also support Biden remaining as candidate after the debate, despite atrocious polling data?

    I do get that there is foreign interference going on, but seriously if you were attempting to sway anyone towards the Dems by shaming people for being against genocide - the obviously weakest point of Dems campaign - then in my eyes you’re most likely the Russian bot trying to remind people that Dems are terrible. And if you aren’t and you actually tried to convice anyone with this argument, then shut the fuck up until the elections are over, if anything you’re costing Kamala votes.

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    I think you are selfish and dumb you genocide apologist scum. Fuck you. Fuck trump. Fuck biden. Fuck america.

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    Im a non-US non-Voter. But I feel the whole “every vote not for harris is a vote for trump” is quite frankly bullshit. People raising concern for palestinian are not trolling, or russian bots or selfish. You just disagree with them and are resorting to name calling.

    Here are some facts:

    A) early polls show that in swing states, votes for jill stein hurt trump more than harris.

    B) if a third party gets more than 5%, this unlocks federal funding for the next election.

    C) voting third party shows the actual voter sentiment of tiredness with the two main candidates. It incentivises other politicians to either form more parties or for the main parties to have candidates that represent the population better.

    If everyone just votes for trump or harris, in 4 years you guys will be standing in the same place as now or 2016. It was the exact same rhetoric in 2016 “lesser of two evils”. Obviously something needs to be changed.

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      I don’t agree with your sentiment of “both bad”. The democrat voters sympathise a lot more with Palestinians than Republican voters. If Trump gets into the white house he has a lot more political breathing space to continue and support the genocide.

      Do you remember the Muslim ban he tried to make back when he was president? Biden is an asshole and he lacks the balls to stand up to israel and cut the military aid but Trump can do a lot worse like support an offensive against Iran, Israel’s ultimate goal.

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    Let me take a stab at this. As a non American non voter who is interested in the outcome of the election.

    There are 3 parties to this discussion: the Harris campaign (Democrats in general), the Gaza issue voter, and the lesser evil voters.

    The Gaza issue voters clearly believe a genocide is occuring, sometimes affecting them personally, and funded by their tax dollars. They would like some concessions from the Dems (the only likely party to take any action) and their only bargaining chip is their vote. It is clear to me that, if a large number of Americans felt strongly and this way, action would happen.

    The Harris campaign has been non responsive on this issue, trying to tread the thin line, where they not only look powerless politically, but also unwilling to take a moral stand for what is right.

    The lesser evil voters are absolutely correct that she is still better than Trump, and in more ways than just Middle east.

    What I think all 3 parties need to do:

    The lesser evil camp, instead of mocking the hold outs, needs to pressure the Harris campaign to make a change. Maybe even join them! (See the last point)

    The Harris campaign, needs to think long and hard about what they stand for, and the implications of the Republican-lite gamble paying off. There needs to be some fear of losing voters who they cannot take for granted as they shift to the right.

    Finally the Gaza voters. Its fine to play the game of chicken, keep screaming as loud as you can demanding change, but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

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      Demecrats should also focus on rural issues more. The city voters are all already democrat and the biggest gains come from appealing to issues of rural voters that increasingly feel as an afterthought of the democrat party.

      Agricultural subsidies for owner operated farms is for example is a good policy. Solar panel loans where you use the savings on them to pay them back is another.

      That reduces food and power prices then you also need a housing policy.

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      This is complete trash. There are not 3 issue voters here. There are two. A non-vote for Harris is a full vote for greater support for genocide. A vote for Harris has a chance to change that. Any other thoughts on it are completely ridiculous.

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        How is voting for pro-genocide Harris going to reduce genocide?

        If you have to choose between losing a hand and losing a whole arm, the correct choice isn’t choosing the hand, it’s fighting back against the system that forces you to make that choice.

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          This sounds like the meme.

          “You might lose your whole arm, instead of an hand, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to take.”

          Also false dichotomy. You can vote Harris and protest. You could literally vote for Harris and join a violent militia group to overthrow Harris.

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            If your vote in america you are a disguisting cunt. And maybe do not listen to the opinion of germans on this since they are fully on board with genocide.

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              Germans? So because Germany is supportive, Germans are? So us citizens are supportive?

              I am not American, don’t worry. But why would that make me a cunt?

              Also why wouldn’t I listen to opinions that I disagree with? Do I need to be afraid of them? I can read “mein Kampf” without becoming a Nazi. I recommend you to listen to opinions different your own. Then you are prepared to call people out on their bs because you know the bs to Beginn with.

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            My brother in Christ, it is an analogy. You cannot piss and moan about how anyone who doesn’t support Kamala, implicitly supports Trump, and then tell me that my analogy for how stupid that false dichotomy is, is itself a false dichotomy. I do not understand.

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              You think I missed the analogy? No, I used your analogy and it works perfectly fine. If you want to drop the analogy because you don’t think the analogy is good, be my guest. Tell me how that counters my point.

              I don’t know if you know but due to the fact that the USA is a joke democracy, it sadly isn’t a false dichotomy. Unless you think, you can change NOW (as you don’t have the time to do it later) more than half of the citizens’ opinion and get a 3rd party candidate in power. Which is obviously realistic…

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          Because genocide support from the US under Trump is likely to be substantially worse than it is under a democrat government.

          Your metaphor makes no sense because you can both vote for a lesser evil and take action against genocide in lots of other ways (voting isn’t the only thing you can do)

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            I agree with you completely, the problem is that the majority of people will refuse to acknowledge that there’s even a problem to begin with, or even if they do, they act like it’s some sort of fact of reality that they can do nothing about.

            All I want from Democrat voters is to acknowledge, “Yes. I am voting for a genocidal candidate, because unfortunately that is the position that my nation’s electoral system has put me in. And I will do everything in my power to change that by …”

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          And the solution to the trolley problem is obviously to stop the trolley from running over anyone. Thank you for solving this philosophical problem.

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            This isn’t a philosophical thought experiment. If there was a real life trolley problem, the solution is to find a way to stop the fucking train, isn’t it?

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              the solution is to find a way to stop the fucking train

              And the solution to the electoral college is to just fucking abolish it? I didn’t know it was this easy! Surely any second the system decides to abolish itself! Any second now…

              Unless you abolish the system before the November election, either Trump or Harris will become US president. It is mathematical certainty in the same way that neither Harris nor Trump will be teleported to Mars through spontaneous quantum tunneling.

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                The problem isn’t the fucking electoral college. That’s a smokescreen for the real issues at play.

                Like it or not, if you vote for Harris, you are complicit in genocide. If you don’t like that, I strongly suggest doing something other than sitting around telling people on the Internet that they’re wrong for having morals which do not align with your own.

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                  I will never vote for Harris for I am not allowed to do so.

                  By paying taxes in the US you are far more complicit in enabling genocide by the way. How many shells have you personally financed - including through your productivity when working - may I ask? Obviously you can choose to stop paying taxes and go to prison to become a financial burden. They can’t arrest everyone, can they? Clearly that’s the answer.

                  Every single US citizen is enabling genocide. The question is how you will stop it. And it most certainly won’t be through making a cross on a piece of paper every 4 years.

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      but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

      By this point, it’s too late. Probably already too late now.

      You dumb fucks never realized that your true power is NOT your votes. It’s your voice. It’s the power to convince people to stay home. And you just… kept doing that. There’s no threat to be made; the act of making the threat IS the damage.

      I’m so tired dude. At least in a month most of you will forget all about Gaza and I won’t have to hear about it anymore.

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        Im not sure I understand. Are you comfortable with Harris’ right shift being uncontested by anyone on the left?

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      the lesser evil camp refuses to pressure the harris campaign and the harris campaign refuses to self reflect on their republican lite gamble; but the gaza voters should give up their only bargaining chip and vote for them anyways?

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        I doubt the Democrats will learn their lesson when they lose. They didn’t became more progressive when Hillary lost when the Bernie voters stayed home. The only shift to the left in the party that happened was when incumbent democrats got replaced by outsiders like AOC. So if you want to punish Democrats do it during a primary and vote an incumbent out.

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          So much this. They will go where the votes are.

          People who are so worried about their left wing voter purity to vote Dem when the alternative is explicitly fascist are going to come across as unwinnable as voters and will have no effect whatsoever on Dem strategizing any more than insane racists who vote for Trump because they like the idea of mass deportation of all the ethnic minorities in the USA; the kind that tell Native Americans to go back to their own country are not worth the Dems pursuing on policy grounds either.

          If your vote is clearly unwinnable and you chose the greater evil from some sort of backwards purity argument, what good is being better than the Republicans on policy grounds for winning your vote?

          It is not winning elections that forces the Democrats right, it is losing to the right that forces the Democrats right, you know, to get the votes they have a hope of getting.

          It might not matter anyway, because Trump told a rally a while back that if he was elected, they wouldn’t have to vote again and since then has accused Harris of planning to end democracy, and pretty much every accusation from Trump is to cover for an admission. Project 25 is grim reading for anyone who likes freedom.

          So yeah, people who vote in a way that makes things worse for Gaza are putting electoral pressure on the Democrats to support the genocide, because calling for ceasefire, agreeing with Gaza protestors at rallies and putting diplomatic pressure on Netanyahu aren’t enough to get votes for Harris, but are sadly enough to lose her votes from “centrists”.

          So if you listen to the “genocidal vice president” folks, and ignore the “finish them” “best King of Israel” Republicans, your third party vote or abstention actually encourages the genocide and in your twisted logic you think that people who care about Gaza choosing to not affect the presidency somehow affects it, and that the country choosing the more genocidal candidate will somehow be interpreted as the people not wanting genocide.

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        I respect your choice and conviction to “let it all burn”, and without people like you there would never be incentive for the Dems to move left. That said, this is not the action I would take, there are far too many things wrong with the Rs right now.

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        Yes. That’s how the two party system works. Dems are still miles better than Republicans on the issue, and thus don’t need to improve. It sucks, but that’s the hand that’s been dealt I don’t see any better strategy to help the people of Gaza. If you see one, feel free to share.

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          There’s also the fact that Harris has to appeal to the electoral college. She’s not just trying to win our votes.
          If she took a firm stance on stopping the killing in Gaza the electoral college could very easily hand their votes to trump. Like they did in 2016.

          I’m fairly certain it’s a big contributing factor as to why democrats keep inching to the right on certain issues. The electoral college has too much power. At the end of the day it’s their votes that count, so Harris has to appeal to them too.

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          I just did. I think they should cave (and vote Harris), but the rest of the crowd needs to spend time on drawing concessions from Harris instead of alienating the left. It might just be that the dems are way past redemption with their recent Liz Cheney tours.

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    It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can’t vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.

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    A large portion of the people you’re referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don’t care about the Middle East.

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      So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it’s good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?

      Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.

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        In a couple of months I will be there to remind you you’re a genoiciding yank.

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      The point of the meme isn’t to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you’re so much better than them. Any claim of “activism” and “raising awareness” is transparently false.

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        Everyone else is a villain huh? I’m petty sure the author thinks their view should be self-evident and doesn’t understand why do many people here seem to take actions the author would never consider.

        I therefore think the point of the meme is to bring some levity into what would otherwise be helpless frustration.

        Have some empathy. Don’t think everyone is bitter and miserable.

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    Sure, more Palestinians will die

    Sure, Ukrainians will die

    Sure, US minorities will die

    Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world

    But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time, we created a lot of value for the shareholders we got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?

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      “More palestinians”. You are an american threatening to kill MORE palestinian if you guys dont vote for your side??? How is this fucking legally allowed you fucking scum

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      It’s honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can’t imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don’t think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy which they might bleet ad nauseum, as questionably sincere.

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        it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense

        There is no end to the depths of human stupidity.

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        They don’t think the consequences will touch them. They’re the leftist equivalent of “shitlibs”

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      Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along

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        As I believe in the abolition of capitalism and the creation of a popular base of support for such a measure, instead of a narrow oligarchy oppressing the proletariat and enforcing its will on society, I am a shitlib. It’s a terrible burden to bear. 😔

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          Communism sucks! We should have a classless, moneyless, stateless society where goods are distributed from each according to ability to each according to need instead! And according to Hexbear users, such a model is called liberal capitalism.

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          Correct, my harm reduction framework is much more violent than your harm reduction framework, and is therefore more interesting, which makes you wrong.

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        And hardly takes that. All you have to do is have a subtle difference of opinion, and BAM! You’re a fascist.

        My favorite, however, is that when you point out that their arguments are 100% logical fallacies, you get banned from multiple communities at once.

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          Did you know if you support Harris, you’re also a transphobe?

          Just admit it!

          Something something chronically online lmfao touch grass bougie.

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      But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?

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    How about actually listen to Palestinian voices instead of your misplaced savior rubbish? They are the ones asking that we refuse to vote for Kamala.

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      I think when people vote the voice they should listen more is their own voice. Their needs and what’s better for them.

      Maybe they don’t want to be prosecuted for their gender identity or sexuality so their vote for Harris is a survival vote.

      That’s my opinion as an outsider, at least.

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      Absolutely. The goal here should be: make it easier for her opponent, the man who, in a not-at-all inflammatory gesture, moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Clearly aligned with the Palestinian cause. Your strategic thinking is subtle yet effective, the long game is stupid, right?

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    It’s almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn’t the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.

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      And here we have the racist argument saying that brown people cant behave anyway. The middle east always had been a shithole, right?

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      But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I’d much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.

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        OmG It"s Sooo HarD To ApplY The UN CONvenTioN.

        The genociders are hiding behind nuance and “it’s complicated” to explain how they are supporting war crime. Biden and Harris broke the law (international and domestic) by sending weapons to genociders. It’s nothing complicated.

        I’m pretty sure the people in Beyruth getting bombed with chemical weapons find the situation quite easy to understand.

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      Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list. If it isn’t for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little

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        Some people think an administration and a party that out right lies about a genocide happening care about them. If someone in a position of power, not only ignore but also support clear evidence of genocide and keep repeating statement that means nothing, they are either agent for a foreign country “AIPAC” or they are in it for themselves and have zero care for poor people.

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          Don’t forget CUFI, it’s actually bigger and more powerful than AIPAC but doesn’t get as much attention. Christian Zionists are insane psychopaths hell bent on destroying the world (literally)

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        Which one?

        • North Korea
        • Myanmar
        • Bangladesh and India
        • China
        • Hamas and Israel
        • Ethiopia
        • Democratic Republic of Congo

        Or is it only what Israel is doing, and only your concern because you can use it as propaganda to tweak the 2024 presidential election in the US?

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            So definitely China, then, because it’s super impossible for you to avoid products made there and exported to the US.

            And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?

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              And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?

              Isn’t that what you’re saying? Except for all of them including Palestinians?

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                Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list.

                I’ll ask again: Which one(s)?

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          Who is North Korea even meant to be genociding?

          I’m gonna venture a guess that the US could more easily stop Israel’s genocide than any of the others on the list. Like your source’s recommendation for how to address whatever’s allegedly happening in North Korea is to go in and overthrow the government, like we did in Iraq. Seems just a little bit harder than making arms shipments conditional.

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              I’d ask whether there’s even a shred of evidence that North Koreans are genociding themselves, but I’m not sure if this is another one of those situations where examining evidence is a bannable offense.

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        Ongoing genocide isn’t at the top of drag’s priority list. The top of drag’s list is the imminent omnicide due to climate change. Drag thinks omnicide is a bigger deal than genocide.

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    I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.

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      Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris…and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.

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        49k votes for Stein in Pennsylvania, Trump won by 47k

        32k votes for Stein in Wisconsin, Trump won by 22k

        51k votes for Stein in Michigan, Trump won by 10k.

        Third party voters are useful idiots.

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          Second-party idiots are useful idiots. Works both ways.

          I love how the greatest democracy on earth is literally built on fear and shaming/harassing people if they do not vote how you deem acceptable. What a bunch of assholes.

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              Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!

              But maybe sit out of the political bitch fest if you can’t handle how basic arithmetic works eh?

              If harris or the dnc want votes, then promote and deliver on policies that people want. If you cant well thats a them problem.

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                Copy pasting the same smug wall of text every time is not the political own you think it is. In fact, it makes people not want to read it.

                Maybe you should get off of the internet and enjoy the nature outside. It’s good for people, y’know?

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                  Try taking your own advice. A bit of time away from a screen should help with these feeling that everyone who fails to vote for Harris is a Trump suppprter.

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                  shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.

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            Did you even read this article? This is what Liz Cheney actually said:

            “Reactionaries make statements. Conscientious and thoughtful people take action because they know moral statements will never change the world.”

            If you’re interpreting that statement as indicating support for Apartheid, then you clearly have problems with reading comprehension.

            In any case, there’s a big difference between Liz Cheney’s bad opinion in 1987, and the guy who founded the “Knights of the Ku Klux Klan” in Louisiana. There’s quite a gap in scale there.

            Your “stone” seems to be more of a bouncy ball.

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              Dick Cheney sweet heart. Dick. But liz is also a shit human. Seems like harris is attracting alot of them with a warm embrace. 🤔

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              Dick Cheney is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Incredible that liberals will defend the Cheneys, not sure if it’s that you don’t care about people’s lives if they happened to be born in another country, or if you’re just willing to defend anyone and anything if you think it’ll help you win.

              How did Stein’s response to David Duke’s endorsement compare to Harris’ response to Cheney’s? Did she accept the endorsement?

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            Is this a bot account or something? Every post has obvious typing mistakes and they all say utter bullshit. When shortly scrolling through their comments I didn’t see a single upvote.

            Every comment is on the usa election. Account created 2 weeka ago.

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              and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.

              I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.

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        Oh the irony here.

        If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.

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            If there’s a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid’s death is still on you.

            Samw thing with not stopping trump.

            It’s really not complicated.

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                Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I’ve given or admit that you’d be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.

                If you’re going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.

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                What’s trumps excuse? What’s your excuse? What’s God’s excuse?

                I’m tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I’m sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.

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                  What’s trumps excuse?

                  who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

                  What’s God’s excuse?

                  dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

                  What’s your excuse?

                  for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

                  I’m tired of all this.

                  so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

                  I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

                  And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

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        Gotta love people trying to use maþ to defend someþing ð actual maþ clearly says is ð complete fucking opposite of helpful.

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          😂 gotta love people who fail to contextualize math. Let me know you when you determine what helpful means to me, was that even the goal? Kind of an important detail dont you think?

          Someday you’ll realize that your failure to understand motivation was exactly one of the points i was making. But alas i fear that day is far off.

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    If you þink ð solution to democratic softness on Israeli atrocities is to let Trump back into power after he handed ðem East Jerusalem, West Bank, and Golan Heights on a silver platter, you are eiðer a covert zionist agent or an unwitting zionist agent.

    Eiðer way, my Amrikani-Falasteeni derriere will consider you as much of an ally as truck flags McGee barely holding back from calling me a towel head and sand n****r mostly because we some ð fuck how have been blessed to avoid peak emboldenment, despite your best efforts trying to “make ð establishment learn ðeir lesson.”

    You can tell ðese kids are white because ðey actually believe pulling a karen on ð two party system will get ðem a sit down meeting with democracy’s manager for a socialism coupon or some shit.

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    democrats : This is the most important election in our lifetime, we need you to vote to save democracy.

    Third party voters : Yeah and under a Democracy I intend To freely use my vote according to my beliefs and interests.

    democrats: Nooooooy, not like that 🤬

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      America doesn’t actually have a democracy. You only get a remotely democratic choice between D and R. And even that choice is severely compromised. If you think you have the democratic choice to vote third party, then you’ve been brainwashed by pro-america propaganda

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      Russians: first we try to spread chaos by pretending to be 3rd party American voters unhappy with Israel.

      Americans: dude that plan is absolutely retarded and there’s no way it would ever work.

      Russians: but we paid for the best 3rd party candidate rubles could buy!

      Jill Stein: Screenshot_20241024-223444_Firefox

      Americans: I can't believe you're actually serious