• TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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    Those “little details” are the core facts in contradiction of your claims.

    Russia is an empire due to how many smaller nations were conquered to the east.

    The Russian Empire did so. The Soviets and RF did not. Though if we are speaking of conquering nations, the US certainly did so, and remains the same political entity it did during its genocides of indigenous Americans. The transitions to the USSR and the RF were in no way trivial, it was not just some rebranding. Both were cataclysmic.

    Fuck ton of countries were fascist just before and during WWII. It’s not a serious argument to make here.

    A handful of European countries were fascist around WWII. It is of course a basic fact and remains a deep stain. Please do your best to not normalize Nazi collaboration.

    Fascism is just getting to power without democratic means.

    That is not what fascism is at all. Not even under erroneous liberal definitions.

    And for the Finns. I honestly feel sad for you, if you believe there is a conspiracy theory that managed to brainwash an entire nation.

    False historical narratives do not require grand conspiracy theories. Just the very normal and common process of manufacturing consent.

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      Just beause Russian Empire rebranded itself it ia still basically the same size with the same subjugated people. The same yakut people are still subjugated. The cataclysmic event you’re talking about is workers revolt. The other is the collapse where quite a bit of countries at least managed to escape. All we can hope is for the fall of russia and for other cultures to emerge.

      Here is the common definition: Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

      Even if you have 2 fascist countries, their goals and decisions are and usually is different.

      And for consent. Look at bloody linux distros. Even if people actually want consent, it is basically impossible to achieve. Every expert will interpret it differently and you will have multiple narratives.

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        Just beause Russian Empire rebranded itself it ia still basically the same size with the same subjugated people.

        I addressed this in my previous comment. If you’re not going to even read and respond to what I sau, what are we doing here?

        The same yakut people are still subjugated.

        Good example. The Yakut people were conquered and annexed by the Russian Empire and many were forced into diaspora. The USSR created a Yakut autonomous region and gave them far more control over their own fates and lands. The RF has done very little other than the usual capitalist exploitation of resources. Three unique stories and three different experiences.

        The cataclysmic event you’re talking about is workers revolt.

        A revolution and creation of a new state premised on substantial regional autonomy and protection for local cultures. Ukraine today owes its entire national existence to Lenin’s insistence on promoting Ukrainian national identity and degrees of autonomy and cultural protections.

        The other is the collapse where quite a bit of countries at least managed to escape.

        A collapse due to capitakist takeover, a time period where the country was subjected to “shock therapy” and dissolved / split against the will of its people. Tens of millions died due to the sudden deprivations. That is the doing of your Western powers whose lines you are echoing

        All we can hope is for the fall of russia and for other cultures to emerge.

        Please refrain from racism.

        Here is the common definition: Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

        Yeah that’s not what you said before. Can you spot the differences? Though of course to understand fascism you will need to learn history and politics, not just Google “fascism definition”.

        Even if you have 2 fascist countries, their goals and decisions are and usually is different.

        Given that you don’t know what fascism is, why are you confidently announcing generalizations about it? In order to have correct ideas and be helpful to others, it is important to have humility.

        And for consent. Look at bloody linux distros. Even if people actually want consent, it is basically impossible to achieve. Every expert will interpret it differently and you will have multiple narratives.

        You did not understand my reference.