There is a very interesting article written by Snowden dealing with this topic.
https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/conspiracy-pt1
The greatest conspiracies are open and notorious — not theories, but practices expressed through law and policy, technology, and finance. Counterintuitively, these conspiracies are more often than not announced in public and with a modicum of pride. They’re dutifully reported in our newspapers; they’re bannered onto the covers of our magazines; updates on their progress are scrolled across our screens — all with such regularity as to render us unable to relate the banality of their methods to the rapacity of their ambitions.
The party in power wants to redraw district lines. The prime interest rate has changed. A free service has been created to host our personal files. These conspiracies order, and disorder, our lives; and yet they can’t compete for attention with digital graffiti about pedophile Satanists in the basement of a DC pizzeria.
I believe that conspirators push outlandish conspiracies to distract from real ones, and make level-headed people look down on conspiracy theorizing. For example, Alex Jones could be CIA.
Please remember to follow lemmy’s and this community’s rules while discussing sensitive topics like this, I suppose many theories could offend someone but no holocaust denial etc, thanks
Here’s a few:
- Sections of the CIA under the direction of CIA director Alan Dulles conspired to assassinate JFK and cover up the plot. Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy.
- Julian Assange has been persecuted for several years and spent years in solitary confinement with the use of fabricated and trumped up charges in order to punish him for wikileaks and terrorise others who would think of doing something similar, and to create a chilling effect on journalists. The CIA also plotted to assassinate him, but the plot was not carried out.
- Major oil companies including Exxon have well known since at least the 1970’s how devastating climate change is and will be, and have used their advanced knowledge to devise a long-running propaganda campaign to deny and obfuscate the risks, while shaping politics to avoid any action on climate that would threaten their business model.
- DuckDuckGo is a honey pot produced by G**gle for privacy kiddies.
- USA authority can decrypt T*r network by military technology going more than 50 years ahead of civil.
- L*mmy devs made le**y to brainwash Americans into killing capitalism.
- G*d is dead.
- I’ll get miracle p*wer after 666 downvotes.
L*mmy devs made le**y to brainwash Americans into killing capitalism.
This one is true
I believe the Usonian media deliberately platforms outlandish conspiracy theories (think pizzagate, qanon, spirit cooking etc) that just happen to be critical of establishment politicians and the national security state, to poison legitimate criticism of such.
none because i am not a right-winger
Only right wingers believe in conspiracy theories?
yes
What?
What about the conspiracy to commit a military coup in Chile in the 1970’s and install a right-wing dictatorship to suppress the left?
What about the conspiracy to fabricate a cassus belli against Iraq in 2001- 2003 to invade the country under the pretext of a menace of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?
What about mass surveillance via the internet?
What about the holocaust?
There are obviously true conspiracy theories, many are widely believed by the left and many are even public record at this point.
What about the conspiracy to commit a military coup in Chile in the 1970’s and install a right-wing dictatorship to suppress the left?
not a conspiracy theory, it’s simply true
What about the conspiracy to fabricate a cassus belli against Iraq in 2001- 2003 to invade the country under the pretext of a menace of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?
not a conspiracy theory, it’s simply true
What about mass surveillance via the internet?
not a conspiracy theory, it’s simply true
What about the holocaust?
not a conspiracy theory, it’s simply true
reported and blocked
These are all simply true… NOW, I think is the point he was making, but they did start as theories (Except the holocaust part, not sure what he was getting at there)
Thank you for the report, unless I am misunderstanding he is saying these “theories” are the truth, given the context. Could have been worded better, but in this part
There are obviously true conspiracy theories, many are widely believed by the left and many are even public record at this point.
I think he is saying these are true even if some people call them theories. I interpret the thread as
Only right wingers believe in conspiracy theories?
yes
I disagree, I believe all these to be true
If I am missing something do let me know
edit: I was blocked by china, I will allow them to post normally but given I can’t respond to them anything rulebreaking will be a ban. This is a copy of my comment I would send to them:
Ok, that’s fine, I am just trying to understand your and @AnOrdinaryDog@lemmy.ml’s perspective, and understand if the issue is sensitive for you. To clarify, I absolutely believe the holocaust is real
Yes absolutely all these conspiracy theories are true. I’m not a peddler of holocaust denial, I simply just don’t buy that “being false” is a pre-requisite for a narrative to be a conspiracy theory.
All of these facts started off as contested and disbelieved by large parts of various publics.
The US’s involvement in the coup in Chile was certainly deduced by many Chileans and others outside Chile the day coup happened, thanks to a good understanding of the nature of the structure of US imperialism in latin america. However, there was little hard evidence at the time and US involvement was kept secret and denied by the US establishment and media. The fact that US military and intelligence agencies were intimately involved in the plotting and material support for the coup d’état was denied, covered up and obfuscated.
It was a conspiracy, and Chileans and others who said the US was involved were communicating a theory about a secret plot by the powerful, a conspiracy theory that was objectively true, but not accepted by the mainstream. Now it is widely accepted as historical fact.
The existence of weapons of mass-destruction in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was a hotly contested issue. The right campaigned to have it accepted as a fact, and their campaign was supported by much of the mainstream media in the United States, Britain, Australia and other allied countries. This involved the strategic leaking and revealing of reports from intelligence agencies that were designed to support the narrative that Iraq held a secret stash of weapons.
The anti-war left fought back with claims that this campaign was based on lies, that it had the goal of manufacturing consent for an illegal invasion. We claimed that Bush, his administration, Blair, his administration, and the military and intelligence agencies were conspiring to start an illegal war under false pretexts. This was a conspiracy theory. UN weapons inspectors denied the weapons existed, but the Bush administration cast doubt on their credibility and pointed to their own fabricated evidence that weapons existed.
In the end, the truth of the conspiracy was revealed bit by bit as the occupying armies in Iraq failed to turn up any evidence of the secret weapons.
The narrative of mass-surveillance on the internet emerged from the world of conspiracy theories in a similar way. First as concerns, then suspicions, then allegations, before finally becoming mainstream with the Snowden revelations. Even now there are many, perhaps a majority, who will look at you wide-eyed with disbelief if you try to explain the extent to which our activities online are monitored, recorded and monetized. Some will dismiss you: “you’re just a conspiracy theorist!”
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