The Abandon Harris movement that sprouted late last year out of the widespread outrage over the Biden-Harris administration’s support for the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza has officially endorsed the Green Party’s Jill Stein for US president.
The endorsement is the first of its kind for Stein and the Green Party, with the Abandon Harris campaign being the first major Muslim-led political group to endorse her campaign this election cycle. Last month, a smaller group, the Muslim American Public Affairs Council NC, also endorsed Stein.
“We are not choosing between a greater evil and a lesser evil. We are confronting two destructive forces: one currently overseeing a genocide and another equally committed to continuing it. Both are determined to see it through,” the Abandon Harris campaign said in a statement released on Monday.
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If Jill Stein got elected and pulled out of NATO she would be the best US President in history for the Global South. Anyone who understands and agrees with ACAB but supports NATO has no idea about how Capitalism and by extension Imperialism functions.
Considering being in NATO protects countries from a Russian land grab like what happened in Ukraine, being part of NATO is antiimperialism.
Russia is genociding Ukrainians. They are also torturing, raping, and murdering POWs, women citizens, and children.
Please read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. We are not talking about the same thing. You are furthering my point, you do not understand NATO’s purpose in solidifying Western Imperialism.
I just wish we had STAR voting so additional candidates wouldn’t increase the risk of Trump winning the election. So many people are either blind to the present danger or they spread misinformation because they hate the US.
Do you believe that third party voters could be perfectly rational and not spread misinformation?
I believe you’re in the group wishing for a disastrous outcome.
Is Communism a “disastrous outcome” in your opinion, and genocide perfectly acceptable? You’re being vague yet still slandering.
No. I believe you sincerely disagree with core tenets of US government and wish the government to be dismantled.
Correct, that’s the best outcome for everyone the world over, including Americans.
You’re entitled to that opinion. That’s why I assumed you to be in the latter group.
I’m certainly wrong about plenty of things, but I have seen too much violence and hatred grow out of Trump’s first presidency. I do not share your desires for the US.
Explain why Jill Stein got cleared by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Or can you only link a 10 year old picture over and over again? Would be great if you had anything less than 10 years old :)
Try not to project Kamala Harris being an israeli agent on a third party against Genocide.
Voting for Stein in a FPTP voting system doesn’t solve the problem that’s been turned into a one issue campaign slogan. Even if she was the perfect candidate. The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election, and out of those two choices, suddenly who to vote for is obvious. If it wasn’t already.
The only realistic option (IMO) is to push for state level electoral reform in your respective state. I admit it’s probably to late to get such changes through before the current election without a general strike.
What are your plans to influence the democratic party?
Vote first of course. Repeatedly remind my various reps that RCV is important for the future and to support current bills or get new ones started. Election reform during off years is probably more important since that’s when no one is thinking about it and yet it’s when changing it will affect the next term.
Wish me luck, my state is NC. Just getting enough democrat reps is difficult enough.
The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election
Which is nearly impossible, ergo it isn’t a solution. Revolution is necessary.
Voting for Jill Stein somehow constitutes a revolution?
Nope, but it delegitimizes the Electoral system, abandoning Electoralism is important for revolution, as well as firmly standing against genocide.
Maybe it does, but not in a “we’re going to fix this” kind of way, but in a “we’re going to hand the keys to the castle over to the self-proclaimed dictator who may try to abolish elections entirely” kind of way.
If that’s what you want, just vote for Trump, don’t play around with this third party BS.
If Trump actually tries to do away with elections, you still wouldn’t lift a finger to stop him, just accept it and go on with your day. Genocide wasn’t enough to get you to abandon the DNC and GOP, so neither will Trump.
Is Harris going to implement RCV? If not your argument is a red herring.
You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.
You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.
No she’s not - she’s a physician, not a legislator. She’s not implementing anything except (hopefully) health care for her patients. She’s promising to make RCV a political priority, but even if elected, the president doesn’t write the laws.
And that even if is doing some heavy lifting, because it’s impossible for her to get enough votes (50.01%, because a plurality goes to the legislators to decide) to win.
What she can do, is syphon enough votes from from Harris to hand the country back to Trump (who I promise you will not solve the problem of genocide in Palestine), which is why the RNC and hostile foreign powers love to prop her up
What she can do, is syphon enough votes from from Harris to hand the country back to Trump (who I promise you will not solve the problem of genocide in Palestine
I’m sorry you forgot to mention the part where Harris will do that. Can you link it to me? Or is everything pretending to debunk voting for Stein red herrings?
I think that’s a Congressional thing, not a President one. But I’m sure she’s promising it. Correct me if it’s something that a President can declare as an executive order, but that wasn’t my impression.
Btw, I think the way to get RCV federally is to make it statewide, and that’s started already, plus there’s a bill in Congress for the second time.
But I’m sure she’s promising it.
She’s not, you have been gaslighted. Harris released her platform already there’s no RCV in there.
I didn’t clarify. I was talking about Jill Stein. She has a lot of promises on her website.
Ah yes Jill Stein has indeed.
In case it was not clear yet, the surpreme court has confirmed that president can do whatever they want as long as it’s an “official order”.
They can have the all of the Supreme Court judges be assassinated and appoint whomever they want to the position. They can add surpreme court positions.
The. President. Can. Do. Whatever. They. Want.
Just ask Genocide Joe what happened when the Republicans blocked him from sending weapons to israel to force him to accept a border wall deal. Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris found a way to keep sending israel those weapons and keep committing Genocide.
The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election
How would you propose to do that while also offering said party an unconditional vote? I’m not American, but if you have an answer it would be useful here too. Parliamentary systems end up pretty much the same.
Protesting, public pressure in other ways, pressure through other representatives in Congress. Also the same to try and get the voting system changed so minority parties can have more effect, bending the major ones to have to talk about issues that for now are easy to avoid (the both sides, even if that’s not entirely true). Another factor is lobbying, that needs to be restricted so large entities like corporations can’t basically buy loyalty.
I would point out that any vote, even for Stein, is unconditional, so there’s no way to avoid that. To make politicians keep their policy the public has to be engaged past the election.
Even if all of that is debatable, my main point is that a vote for Stein won’t get any change. One of the two choices that can win the election has some chance, even if small. Whether that be from citizen pressure or them getting the power of office and doing things themselves.
Can’t wait for tolerant liberals to go full mask off and claim these Muslims just must not be smart enough to realize the threat of Trump… Again.
They’ve been saying that for months right here on Lemmy.
One of said liberals is malding at me right now for pointing out that they are being blatantly racist.
You don’t think Trump is going to be infinitely worse than Harris on this issue in particular?
What the ever living fuck.
Being murdered in a genocide seems about as worse as it can get. Would Trump reanimate the corpses and then murder them again or something?
It doesn’t get worse than being genocided, is the point these people are making.
Both Harris and Trump, equally think Muslims and other unwanted statistically brown people deserve to be subject to genocide and are willing to commit massive amount of funds to that end.
Absolutely not. Historically, the DNC and GOP are in lock-step for foreign policy.
I don’t think that’s entirely accurate.
Why not?
Because there are very clear differences between how the two parties handle foreign policy, for one thing.
Elaborate.
You really can’t see the differences?
If Trump were doing it you might getout of your chair and materially oppose it rather than making excuses for an imagined lesser evil genocide.
So you want Trump in office because of that? You don’t care about anything else, I take it?
I think you should be against genocide and act accordingly rather than buying into the political illogic of your masters. A good start might be letting go of crutches like accusing everyone that calls out tacit support for Democratic genocide a Trump supporter.
No Trump will be exactly the same. Only the words will be different.
I do believe Jill Stein will be different though.
Jill Stein is literally a paid spoiler candidate who fails at even that.
Liberals sure seem to be worried people who don’t support Genocide are going to vote for her enough to launch a massive smear campaign.
So glad to hear you will be campaigning in your state for electoral reform! You wouldn’t point out the flaws of First past the post voting and then do nothing to solve the issue would you? Democrats believe in democracy, so it should be a easy sell. Looking forward to your updates!
I voted for Howie Hawkins last time, certain in the knowlege that Biden would win, Trump would go to jail, and we could hold Biden’s feet to the fire.
January 6th, and all the related bullshit that’s followed, showed me thah I had made a huge mistake and just got lucky when it comes to the MAGA-crowds coup competence. I will not make that mistake again, not in this election anyways.
“Abandon Harris” is a shit campaign name. Self-aware guilt, right in the name.
Biden won. Trump is not in Jail. Biden and Harris are committing Genocide.
I’m not sure where you “realized you were wrong”. If anything you were right to vote for Howie.
