This idea of a majority Jewish state, kept so through military occupation of Arab-dense territories, needs to simply go away.
I’m a one-state solution guy. Let everyone there practice their religion in peace and access their holy sites freely, and let democracy reign.
Israel’s big sin is that they want democracy BUT only with a majority Jewish population and an official state religion etc etc etc. It’s more than a Jewish homeland - it’s an ethnostate.
That is what needs to end. It doesn’t go somewhere else. No one gets pushed into the sea. We just stop pretending like we can use arms to carve out the “democracy” we want, and Israelis and Palestinians all live in a state that guarantees their freedom and safety.
Some fear that extremists will rise and take over that pluralistic society: build a constitution that prevents this. Embrace pluralism. Marshall Plan the fuck out of Gaza until the Palestinians see they have more to lose than their misery.
How do you propose your plan survives the inevitable waves of suicide bombers when you remove the walls and checkpoints?
Do you force the settlers to give the land back?
How do you deal with the hardliners on both sides who would do everything in their power to foil your plan? What if those people have popular support and your plan doesn’t?
Does Palestine simply cease to exist as it’s incorporated into Israel? What do you do about the Palestinians who would argue you’re trying to erase their culture and identity?
Who pays to rebuild Gaza?
Do we call it a day and let those accused of war crimes off the hook or do we hold them to account?
Or apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany, West and East Germany, Yugoslavia, South Vietnam, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the USSR, etc. Countries change all the time. Normal people don’t care they just keep on living their lives. They’re just lines on a map. It’s weird people don’t understand this.
Same place the rhodesians went. Many stayed in the new country (Zimbabwe), many immigrated away to surrounding countries or Europe. In the case of Israel a simikar situation can happen, and mang Israelis are dual citizens.
OK, and how to do propose this frankly deranged and unworkable plan is put into effect? A full scale invasion of Israel? By whom? What about the Israelis who don’t have dual citizenship?
I’m asking for details from you and OP. All I’m getting is vague hand waving.
So your grand plan is that people can either stay or go. If they stay then what? If they go then, once again, WHERE?
You can’t just rock up at a different country and start making yourself at home, you realize that, right?
I’ve re-read your comments, you don’t have a plan, your bullshitting and now you’re getting pissy because I pressed you for details you don’t have because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Go where? If you have a plan, let’s hear it.
Well, I have a plan and I’ll tell you what it is.
This idea of a majority Jewish state, kept so through military occupation of Arab-dense territories, needs to simply go away.
I’m a one-state solution guy. Let everyone there practice their religion in peace and access their holy sites freely, and let democracy reign.
Israel’s big sin is that they want democracy BUT only with a majority Jewish population and an official state religion etc etc etc. It’s more than a Jewish homeland - it’s an ethnostate.
That is what needs to end. It doesn’t go somewhere else. No one gets pushed into the sea. We just stop pretending like we can use arms to carve out the “democracy” we want, and Israelis and Palestinians all live in a state that guarantees their freedom and safety.
Some fear that extremists will rise and take over that pluralistic society: build a constitution that prevents this. Embrace pluralism. Marshall Plan the fuck out of Gaza until the Palestinians see they have more to lose than their misery.
How do you propose your plan survives the inevitable waves of suicide bombers when you remove the walls and checkpoints?
Do you force the settlers to give the land back?
How do you deal with the hardliners on both sides who would do everything in their power to foil your plan? What if those people have popular support and your plan doesn’t?
Does Palestine simply cease to exist as it’s incorporated into Israel? What do you do about the Palestinians who would argue you’re trying to erase their culture and identity?
Who pays to rebuild Gaza?
Do we call it a day and let those accused of war crimes off the hook or do we hold them to account?
Away. Same as Rhodesia.
Or apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany, West and East Germany, Yugoslavia, South Vietnam, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the USSR, etc. Countries change all the time. Normal people don’t care they just keep on living their lives. They’re just lines on a map. It’s weird people don’t understand this.
Once more, where?
Look up Rhodesia, some stayed, some emigrated.
There is zero reason to keep a genocidal terrorist ethnostate in control anywhere in the world.
So you don’t have an answer, just say that then and stop wasting my time.
??? He literally just said, they want Israel as a country to no longer exist.
What about the 10,000,000 Israelis, where do they go? OP was just banging on about Rhodesia and not answering a simple question.
Same place the rhodesians went. Many stayed in the new country (Zimbabwe), many immigrated away to surrounding countries or Europe. In the case of Israel a simikar situation can happen, and mang Israelis are dual citizens.
OK, and how to do propose this frankly deranged and unworkable plan is put into effect? A full scale invasion of Israel? By whom? What about the Israelis who don’t have dual citizenship?
I’m asking for details from you and OP. All I’m getting is vague hand waving.
You were literally given an answer.
No, once again … where do you want 10,000,000 Israelis to go?
Okay, unblock your ears and fucking listen this time.
They can stay in the new state, or emigrate to another country.
Like I’ve told you multiple times, they can do the same thing that happened last time an ethnostate was destroyed.
So your grand plan is that people can either stay or go. If they stay then what? If they go then, once again, WHERE?
You can’t just rock up at a different country and start making yourself at home, you realize that, right?
I’ve re-read your comments, you don’t have a plan, your bullshitting and now you’re getting pissy because I pressed you for details you don’t have because you don’t know what you’re talking about.