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    7 hours ago

    Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo. Going this wild about a common grammatical construct because it reminds you of people you hate for existing isn’t conservative, it’s something far worse.

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      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      No, that’s a lie conservatives tell to make their ideology seem less abhorrent.

      What conservatism is actually about is perpetuating hierarchy.

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      One could argue that so called “traditions” they are holding so much dearly in their heart never was fully a thing and is just the product of past idealizations and marketing propaganda. “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s is a construct made by marketing people to sell fridges, diamond and beautiful car.

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        “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s

        Had one working parent and stay at home moms. But they don’t give a single fuck about that part of it, do they?

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        Idealizing a fake era of greatness which came before the weak, but also very powerful bad people took it away.

        Now where have I heard that one before? 🤔

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      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      That’s just what Conservatism claims to be about, but it has always been regressive

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        I think we agree that most self-identified conservatives aren’t actually very invested in the status quo or tradition, and are actually regressive reactionaries, but I think it’s a clearer point to say that most self-identified conservatives aren’t in fact conservative, than that conservatism isn’t actually what people (claim they) mean when they say conservative. At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

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          At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

          Conservatism hasn’t lost its meaning, conservatism just never meant what conservatives claimed it meant; it’s always been a façade.

          Conservatism is about conserving (and reinforcing) power structures; all talk about ‘tradition’ and ‘stability’/‘status-quo’ is wool over your eyes.

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      In liberal democracy, the status quo is liberalism. Conservatism was to conserve the monarchy and aristocracy.

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        There is a difference between historical conservatism and what it has become. Even setting that aside, there is much daylight between what a movement will profess and what it will ultimately produce.

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          No, there really isn’t. True conservatism is an unbroken line from royalists, to confederates, to nazis, to Trump.

          It’s the allegedly small government, pro-freedom “conservatives” – i.e. self-deluded liberals who mislabeled themselves – who were the aberration.

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            What’s the most confrontational way to respond to someone who agrees with you?

            I think you dropped your writing prompt