• Red_October@lemmy.world
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    And they’re done now right? Mission accomplished, bombings and airstrikes concluded, time to go home? Right guys? Guys?

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      Is Hezbollah still attacking Israel?

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          What does that have to do with Lebanon?

          Imagine if Mexico launched rockets at the US in 2003 to protest our pointless invasion of Iraq. It would not end well for Mexico.

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              Notice that the US didn’t enter WW2 until it was attacked at Pearl Harbor.

              And since then it hasn’t launched rockets at military peers, even to stop a genocide. Just ask the families of tens of thousands of Chechens killed by Russians ~20 years ago.

              If Hezbollah wanted to follow the modern American example, it would only start wars against weaker countries. Israel isn’t one of them. Instead, Hezbollah is using the FAFO strategy.

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                Notice that the US didn’t enter WW2 until it was attacked at Pearl Harbor.

                That should he a point of shame, not pride. And it rings rather hollow to refer to a “Chechen genocide” when you’re someone who thinks Gaza isn’t one.

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            Hezbollah wants to destroy Zionism, that includes ending Israeli occupation of any people, from Lebanese to Syrian to Palestinian. Hezbollah only exists because of Israel.

            1982

            The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians.

            On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.

            Israeli Withdrawal

            Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah’s behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah’s restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah’s earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in the south.

            Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria’s calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel

            2006

            The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities.

            It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019.

            While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.

            2007 - Present

            Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.

            While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.

            So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.

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              Canada has a longstanding border dispute too, with the US.

              Imagine if Canada launched rockets at the US, because of the border dispute and also because Canada believed US arms shipments to Israel violated international law. It would not end well for Canada.

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          No, and they never were. Hezbollah is clearly attacking Israel, however.

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          the weeklong “truce” showing exclusively Israeli attacks is just chef’s kiss.

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    How many children died in this attack on a residential complex in a crowded city?

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      For what reason do you think they’d build their HQ there and not far away from the population?

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        The IDF HQ is in central Tel Aviv.

        Hell, forget the ME, the Greek army HQ is next to a metro station. The Canadian Army HQ is in central Ottawa. Indian army HQ in downtown New Delhi.

        This is not the own that the “human shields” narrative for Lebanon wants it to be.

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          If you take a look at it, you’d realize it is tall, and far from any habitation. And in a military base. If is was attacked, there would be little risks of civilian collateral damages. Sure, it is in central Tel Aviv on paper, but more because the city grew around it than because it was deliberately put there.

          I couldn’t find anything about the Greek army HQ, care to provide a link?

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            Here you go: https://maps.app.goo.gl/M4uFig4YF5PL8Zp56

            Edit: the line between “it happened organically through urban growth” and “was put there on purpose” is the line between “I like them” and “I don’t like them”. Like who you like but don’t expect everyone to buy into your narrative.

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              Funny since I’m rather pro palestinian, but let’s go with it.

              I take into account that I don’t know a lot of things as I’m not some sort of omnipotent being.

              Here is the data I got :

              On the Hezbollah, as they don’t have an habit of documenting their bases (for obvious reason), all I know is that it was in a densely inhabited area, and reportedly underground.
              So either it was built before this zone became densely populated, or it was built on a later date, knowing the area was densely inhabited.
              Either way, it is either negligence, if they allowed the population to encroach on what should be considered a military area, or knowingly, to use the population as shield. Unfortunately they are against an army that don’t care about killing innocents, so that was of no use.

              On the IDF side, according to Wikipedia, Camp Rabin is used as the IDF headquarters since 1948, at that time it was still an agricultural settlement in the periphery of Tel Aviv. This was seized from a Christian community, reportedly because they where nazi sympathizers, and they used to create the IDF HQ there.

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      This actually reminds me of that modified hellfire the US made in which they basically removed the explosives and installed a metal slug with blades, which they used to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the last few years in Afghanistan.

      The idea being that the kinetic warhead would greatly reduce the collateral and allow pinpoint precision on targets in a dense area.

      Of course Israel could never. They decided to go with fitting bombs onto pagers & walkie talkies, and their age old strategy of leveling entire buildings hoping the target is inside. Gotta win that maximum civilian death trophy at any cost.

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      Oh is this what we’re doing this week? Pretending Hezbollah are good guys? Why aren’t you calling out Hezbollah for using civilians as human shields if that’s the case?

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        This isn’t the movies there is not good and bad guys The real world is not black and white.

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        If someone use a human as a shield does that mean its okay to kill the human shield to get to the terrorist?

        I mean in a similar vein, that is like killing all the hostages in a robbery and then saying “nobody is condemning the robbers for hiding behind other humans”

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        We can’t call out people for an accusation you can’t really prove. Unless you’re arguing that all militaries and militias should have all of their combatant and non-combatant agencies away from the population centers they have to defend.

        Not a single rocket fired into Israel has been from Beirut.

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      How come these terrorist fuckwads surround themselves with women and children when they’re being hunted by the IDF? Easy solution to not being killed, don’t be a terrorist, and don’t hang out with terrorists. Boom easy

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        Odd, you’re using terrorist fuckwads and IDF as if they’re two separate things?

        Also the Kirya is located in a residential area, I’m guessing you’re in favour of Tel Aviv being bombed?

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        Heaven forbid a human have a family! Just because they are terrorists doesn’t mean they’re not people like the rest of us.

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    Nice, killed a big terrorist. Also created a few hundred, maybe even a few more big terrorists, but you got this one.

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    Makes no sense. Soon new leader, if the killing is confirmed, will be elected.

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      Certainly going for the people at the top will ultimately result in less killing. The alternative is to just try to kill all the Hezbollah members.

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        And then all the bombing Israel has done in Gaza and where ever else. Guess what they does ……