It depends on the panel, but what if you don’t agree with age ratings board decisions and think it’s OK to bring your kid, shouldn’t their parent do the parenting? And why should it make anyone uncomfortable?
They aren’t doing the parenting, they are just making things awkward for everyone else attending who agrees with the ratings board decision that that kind of content is not for kids.
I mean lots of things can make things “awkward” for some people that shouldnt be banned - disabilities of all kinds, holding hands with a same sex partner, piercings/tattoos, blue hair, short skirts, farting, pregnant women, in some countries having your hair/shoulders/face/cleavage out…
Some people think kids shouldn’t be exposed to Harry Potter, D&D, rock music, seeing people drink alcohol…
In fairness I haven’t seen the show, I’m seeing a lot of parents say it’s for 13+ teens, and some say 8+.
It has swearing and jokes about sex. I was raised in a household where I couldn’t say “Damn,” “Fart,” or “Ass.” Two close friends of mine don’t care if their 6 year olds say “fuck.” And honestly, it seems like they have a closer relationship to their kids than I do to my parents (I love them and care for them, but our mode of communication is pretty formal).
Also, I was watching Urotsukidoji, Battle Angel Alita, The Guyver around 11-13 years which is probably way worse.
One of the main characters in hazbin is an anthropomorphic spider prostitute porn star drug addict named “angel dust” who is in a very graphic emotionally, physically and sexually abusive relationship with the porn studio director that’s exploiting them, and one of his major themes is why he hates himself for liking being treated like that.
While not the most graphic show Ive seen (despite multiple onscreen dismemberments), it’s easily the most adult oriented cartoon/anime I’ve watched. It’s certainly not geared for children and I would be extremely uncomfortable having a conversation about why people stay with their abusers with a kid. It’s not me being prudish, its that it requires a fuckload of societal context that most adults don’t have in order to be able to discuss it in anything like a mature way, and I don’t want to have to explain things like “the gray areas around coercion and nonconsensual sex” to someone else’s kid in a panel setting. It’s going to be as uncomfortable for them as it is for me when we get to, say, “self harm as expressed through consenting to sexual abuse”.
Thats an easier to explain example, and it’s certainly a conversation you should have with your kids when they’re old enough, but thats just one example out of many. I certainly don’t want to have to explain the 2000 years of real-world religious bloodshed being evoked with lines like “if hell is forever then that means heaven’s a lie” to a kid, either.
(Not to harp on about it, but the scene with angel trying to get charlie out of the studio before valentino notices her is such an accurate portrayal of living with an abuser that it regularly triggers people’s PTSD, and that commonly comes up at hazbin panels. You might have been watching Urotsukidoji as a kid, but I really doubt you were reading Lolita or The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo)
Wouldn’t a kid just not understand what’s happening though? We’ve all experienced watching something again as an adult and being like “ohhhhh THAT’s what it’s about.”
And/or most kids recognize “this character is doing something bad,” even if they don’t understand the context, aren’t we just talking another satanic panic here? Like how it was false alleged CoD or D&D makes kids into serial killers.
You should, it’s damn good! The sister show, Helluva Boss, is free on youtube and is quite different but also very good and I highly recommend it. (Heads up, Hazbin’s pilot episode is canon and plot critical and on youtube and is not included with the rest of the show, which is on prime video. Watch that first!)
I get that you do not have to upvote something you disagree with, but we shouldn’t downvote this guy for an honest, different opinion. That’s how you create a hive mind.
I agree with that and I upvoted you, I don’t understand the downvote mentality, either you upvote or you don’t do anything, downvote should simply not exists.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Downvotes are my favorite part of this kind of comment system. I know that, per the rules, “downvotes aren’t for disagreement”, but most people don’t respect that and I think it’s asinine. Both kinds of votes are a valuable way of contributing to a discussion without having to spend the time and effort to write a comment.
I agree with your sentiment, that’s what they should be, but time and time again we saw that it is not how they are used, downvotes mostly serve to mark disagreement , doesn’t matter that you provide interesting discussion, if people disagree then the comment gets downvotes to oblivion. And the platform turns into an echo chamber where only one opinion can ever exist.
Except for the fact that downvotes hide those comments. So all you are doing is creating an echo chamber where everyone agrees or gets removed from discourse.
Wasn’t me. But downvotes are great when used appropriately. We want shit that isn’t worth reading to get filtered to the bottom. A joke that isn’t worth reading. Off topic shit that isn’t a relevant tangent. Spam. Uncalled for rudeness.
But that shouldn’t mean every opinion that disagrees with your own.
Maybe downvotes should be limited. I don’t know that there’s a good technical way to fix this issue.
It depends on the panel, but what if you don’t agree with age ratings board decisions and think it’s OK to bring your kid, shouldn’t their parent do the parenting? And why should it make anyone uncomfortable?
They aren’t doing the parenting, they are just making things awkward for everyone else attending who agrees with the ratings board decision that that kind of content is not for kids.
I mean lots of things can make things “awkward” for some people that shouldnt be banned - disabilities of all kinds, holding hands with a same sex partner, piercings/tattoos, blue hair, short skirts, farting, pregnant women, in some countries having your hair/shoulders/face/cleavage out…
Some people think kids shouldn’t be exposed to Harry Potter, D&D, rock music, seeing people drink alcohol…
I just don’t think it’s that big a deal.
This is such a shitty comparison lol
You’re arguing with a child.
So they are arguing to be allowed at adult conventions?
Can’t they just click the “I’m +18” button on websites like the rest of us?
In fairness I haven’t seen the show, I’m seeing a lot of parents say it’s for 13+ teens, and some say 8+.
It has swearing and jokes about sex. I was raised in a household where I couldn’t say “Damn,” “Fart,” or “Ass.” Two close friends of mine don’t care if their 6 year olds say “fuck.” And honestly, it seems like they have a closer relationship to their kids than I do to my parents (I love them and care for them, but our mode of communication is pretty formal).
Also, I was watching Urotsukidoji, Battle Angel Alita, The Guyver around 11-13 years which is probably way worse.
One of the main characters in hazbin is an anthropomorphic spider prostitute porn star drug addict named “angel dust” who is in a very graphic emotionally, physically and sexually abusive relationship with the porn studio director that’s exploiting them, and one of his major themes is why he hates himself for liking being treated like that.
While not the most graphic show Ive seen (despite multiple onscreen dismemberments), it’s easily the most adult oriented cartoon/anime I’ve watched. It’s certainly not geared for children and I would be extremely uncomfortable having a conversation about why people stay with their abusers with a kid. It’s not me being prudish, its that it requires a fuckload of societal context that most adults don’t have in order to be able to discuss it in anything like a mature way, and I don’t want to have to explain things like “the gray areas around coercion and nonconsensual sex” to someone else’s kid in a panel setting. It’s going to be as uncomfortable for them as it is for me when we get to, say, “self harm as expressed through consenting to sexual abuse”.
Thats an easier to explain example, and it’s certainly a conversation you should have with your kids when they’re old enough, but thats just one example out of many. I certainly don’t want to have to explain the 2000 years of real-world religious bloodshed being evoked with lines like “if hell is forever then that means heaven’s a lie” to a kid, either.
(Not to harp on about it, but the scene with angel trying to get charlie out of the studio before valentino notices her is such an accurate portrayal of living with an abuser that it regularly triggers people’s PTSD, and that commonly comes up at hazbin panels. You might have been watching Urotsukidoji as a kid, but I really doubt you were reading Lolita or The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo)
Wouldn’t a kid just not understand what’s happening though? We’ve all experienced watching something again as an adult and being like “ohhhhh THAT’s what it’s about.”
And/or most kids recognize “this character is doing something bad,” even if they don’t understand the context, aren’t we just talking another satanic panic here? Like how it was false alleged CoD or D&D makes kids into serial killers.
you’ve just convinced me that I must watch this show.
You should, it’s damn good! The sister show, Helluva Boss, is free on youtube and is quite different but also very good and I highly recommend it. (Heads up, Hazbin’s pilot episode is canon and plot critical and on youtube and is not included with the rest of the show, which is on prime video. Watch that first!)
I get that you do not have to upvote something you disagree with, but we shouldn’t downvote this guy for an honest, different opinion. That’s how you create a hive mind.
I agree with that and I upvoted you, I don’t understand the downvote mentality, either you upvote or you don’t do anything, downvote should simply not exists.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Downvotes are my favorite part of this kind of comment system. I know that, per the rules, “downvotes aren’t for disagreement”, but most people don’t respect that and I think it’s asinine. Both kinds of votes are a valuable way of contributing to a discussion without having to spend the time and effort to write a comment.
I agree with your sentiment, that’s what they should be, but time and time again we saw that it is not how they are used, downvotes mostly serve to mark disagreement , doesn’t matter that you provide interesting discussion, if people disagree then the comment gets downvotes to oblivion. And the platform turns into an echo chamber where only one opinion can ever exist.
Except for the fact that downvotes hide those comments. So all you are doing is creating an echo chamber where everyone agrees or gets removed from discourse.
Wasn’t me. But downvotes are great when used appropriately. We want shit that isn’t worth reading to get filtered to the bottom. A joke that isn’t worth reading. Off topic shit that isn’t a relevant tangent. Spam. Uncalled for rudeness.
But that shouldn’t mean every opinion that disagrees with your own.
Maybe downvotes should be limited. I don’t know that there’s a good technical way to fix this issue.