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- futurology@futurology.today
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- futurology@futurology.today
The surge in online shopping, accelerated by COVID-19, has driven up the demand for package deliveries, and that demand continues to rise.
As traditional delivery methods contribute to urban traffic congestion and pollution, cargo bikes - a staple of bike-friendly countries like Denmark and the Netherlands - are becoming a common sight in cities across Europe as a sustainable and efficient alternative to vans.
These larger, typically electric bikes with separate carriers can transport a wide range of loads, from small parcels to larger items, making them ideal for urban deliveries.
In Europe, it is estimated that up to 50 per cent of motorised trips involving the transport of goods in cities could be made by cargo bikes and bicycles, according to a recent study.
this monstrosity, that can fit one backpack and bag of groceries into its cargohold, doesn’t fit in any bike lane, unless that bike lane is as wide as the one for cars. so it needs space in the car lane and is maybe slightly shorter, but that’s not really significant difference.
also do you imagine all bike lanes full of these? yeah, that would solve the congestion problem for sure ;)
This is an extra wide one, the picture description is complaining that it takes the whole one-direction bike lane (that’s a third of a road lane).
you must have really generously designed roads wherever you are 😂
Well yes, a single lane is defined as at least 3.65 meters, while a bike lane can’t be wider than 1.70 meters, so it’s 2.14 lanes of bikes for each car at the very least, but it’s mostly more since bikes can turn tighter and don’t need as much space for intersections.
You post a picture of a bike that’s as wide as its handlebar, which is not wider than a regular bike which also has to have enough space to fit its handlebars through and claim it is too wide for a bike lane. Also visible on this picture is a backpack, a grocery bag and a lot of empty space in the cargo-hold and claim it only has space for the backpack and a grocery bag. I feel it is not worth it to argue with you at all since you don’t seem to argue in good faith. Disappointing
yeah, there are absolutely not wheels on its side which makes it wider, the whole construction doesn’t give it totally different driving characteristics and there is a bike lane to home of every single one of your potential customer, so, you know, these bikes won’t use the width of one car lane, because often times it will be the only option.
yeah, lot of empty space to take everything you would fit in your average delivery van. everyone can clearly see that.
oh i am? are you sure about that? 😂
cargo bike is not efficient alternative to a car, because it is far slower and has much lower capacity than the car, so you will deliver less cargo in longer time. or same cargo in same time using a LOT MORE bikes.
that doesn’t mean and i never said they don’t have its use-cases, but claiming it will solve the traffic congestion is wild exaggeration.
Are you high? I live in Denmark, a country that has a high amount of bikes, and I see tons of those cargo bikes on the bike lanes each day. Parents bringing their kids to daycare, postal workers bringing letters and parcels, landlords bringing all their tools between apartment complexes around the city. Possibilities are endless.
no. is that a requirement for talking to you?
oh i would like to see your face when all goods that is being transported in vans would suddenly start clogging these bike lanes.
fortunately for everyone it is not going to happen, so you can dream on and fly to tell other pigeons you have won this discussion. 😂
Already happened here, vans aren’t even allowed to stop here. It works and the city is less congested.
Really? Where is here, so I can find more info about it?
The Randstad in the Netherlands, but Belgium is closely following.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakfiets
You need to get out if your basement, mate. They are right now transporting lots of stuff on bikes. The fact that you can’t be arsed to even look up pictures from other parts of the world and still stubbornly reject other realities than your own says more about you than me.
So, dream on, your car-centric “utopia” doesn’t exist.
oh the car-centric dystopia definitely exists, unlike your cargo-bike one.
you see, there is not necessarily cult on the other side that fights with your cult just because you have another flag. maybe the other side commented on your thoughts because they see a problem in them and that is how you can improve. you will see that, when you get out of your basement one day.