• Thorry84@feddit.nl
    1093·
    2 months ago

    Windows 11 has changed this, many many people now warn other people about not using Windows 11 because it is such shit. Doesn’t matter what you run, just don’t run Windows 11.

      • Revan343@lemmy.ca
        4·
        2 months ago

        That happened with Windows 8 and Vista as well. There was a running joke that every other Windows release was garbage when I was growing up.

        And the joke works with 8 and 10 both being shitty, because they skipped 9, which would have been the good one.

        They really should have gone with Windows Nine, to bring the naming scheme in line with Xbox One while also avoiding the startswith.('Windows 9') issue

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        I actually really liked both windows 8 and Vista too.

        8 was slimmed down and optimized vs 7. Bootup time on my HDD equipped machine halved, performance was better, and the search was so good I never actually saw the start menu because I’d just blindly hit enter and it opened what I wanted.

        Vista had a rough start because they basically had to start fresh with drivers. But I bought a nice new machine about a year after it came out and it ran it flawlessly. Aero looked (and still looks) so cool, and XP was just a crusty old OS by then, let alone 2014 when it finally lost support.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      I literally can’t install Windows 11 on my current computer lol. I know there are workarounds for it but I don’t feel comfortable doing that for my primary computer.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      41·
      2 months ago

      I gotta be honest, I actually really like windows 11.

      Recall is awful and I hope enough pressure keeps it away (or at least as something you have to manually turn on). But besides that it’s mostly just windows 10 but better. I get better battery life, better performance, I actually mostly like the UI changes etc.

      Also does nobody remember all of the hate for 10 when it first came out?

      • iopq@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 months ago

        Unusable on a hard drive, would just freeze while scanning all your files. Wouldn’t let you turn it off

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        2 months ago

        Obsoleting a lot of relatively recent fast hardware means people are either faced with a fuck off or complicated work arounds. Then there is forcing people to log in with their MS email account which they may not have or want or again forcing people into complicated work arounds. The implicit privacy issues of recall if it was rolled out as planned.

        Ads in the windows UI both exiting and planned. The fact that they have discussed the idea of making Windows a monthly/annual fee.

        Then the carry overs from 10 The fact that the start menu search is less useful than any linux DE or windows XP Re-enabling crap that people disabled on purpose Certain kinds of links opening in Edge even if people use chrome

        • tee9000@lemmy.world
          5·
          2 months ago

          Wait i have w11 in my laptop… i dont have a windows account sign in. Is that a forthcoming change?

          Ads are fucked, thats fucked.

          But it mainly seems like microsoft policy, not necessarily w11 itself is the issue?

          I ignorantly think a monthly subscription would never happen and we’d see mass linux adoption.

          I have a dual boot in my near term plans for my desktop. I would pull that trigger immediately if ads or subscriptions materialized.

          • jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org
            10·
            2 months ago

            iirc it is during install now. You have to do things that are way beyond the average user’s knowledge or ability to enable a local account.

          • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            2 months ago

            Ads are…already a thing. Shit like putting candy crush which allows you to spend real money to pay to win. Search suggestions in the start menu. The app store is an attempt at an Apple style money grab except the money grab only exists on the apple side because its the only way to get apps on the machine and MS never got much out its store in comparison.

            Ads and subscriptions would already have happened if they had succeeded in using secure boot to lock machines out of alternative OS

          • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Pro or Home? It looks like home is going to try to force you into a microsoft account a lot harder than pro. There are a couple of tricks to bypass it in the OOBE. But if you do sign into an MS account you can go into settings and there’s a button somewhere to switch to a local account. You’d just have to seek that out and it’s a pain.

      • irreticent@lemmy.world
        51·
        2 months ago

        “We like the clean design and improved performance of Microsoft’s latest operating system, but it still suffers from its fair share of issues. Here’s what people gripe about the most.”

        And they don’t even mention the ads or that Recall garbage thing that takes screenshots being forced on you even though the public made it obvious they don’t want that. That and all the telemetry; it’s pretty much spyware disguised as an operating system.

        I’m sure there are more things but those are just the ones off the top of my head.

        *Edit: I remembered the name of Recall

        • Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world
          22·
          2 months ago

          Most of those are tiny gripes, and to be honest I don’t care at all about most of them. The OS looks nice, runs well, and is pretty painless. That’s all I want in an OS.

      • iopq@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 months ago

        Doesn’t let you just do whatever you want. I turned off the windows firewall in windows 7 and went on with my life. Windows 11 wouldn’t let me download updates with the firewall off.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      411·
      2 months ago

      No… I’ve literally only seen this on Lemmy. I’ve never once encountered anyone in real life that does this.

      Edit: and to add, people really don’t like this. I love Linux, but hate this community at this point. It’s disingenuous and I see blatant lies all the time about where I’m going to see ads in windows. I’ve yet to see any ads at all so far.

  • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
    71·
    2 months ago

    I would always start all conversations with my friends with “Hey Windows peasants!” If I had any friends. These two things have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

  • lustyargonian@lemm.ee
    70·
    2 months ago

    I met a vegan who uses vim and arch linux. I’m that guy. I use vim and arch linux, and I’m a vegan.

  • jabathekek
    48·
    2 months ago

    Windows user:

    *Complaining about ads on their desktop

    Me, a linux enjoyer:

    *inhales*

    • Prethoryn Overmind@lemmy.world
      197·
      2 months ago

      Linux user complaining about having to add repositories manually in order to get a piece of software to update or to add a tool they need.

      Me as an any operating system user. Both have draw backs that aren’t for normal people.

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
    392·
    2 months ago

    well duh. windows is the default everyone uses, no one needs to recommend it.

    linux on the other hand is an obscure choice that may be better for that use case and may not be known.

  • Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world
    262·
    2 months ago

    I’ve been bombarded with Shit about Linux ever since I signed up here.

    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME THE CRAZE BEHIND THIS DAMN OPERATING SYSTEM?!!! I just dont fukin get it! Whats so special about it😭😭

    • ugh@lemmy.world
      18·
      2 months ago

      1. Windows is a privacy nightmare. The OS is constantly sending data to Microsoft while being used.

      2. Windows hogs resources. If you don’t shovel money out for new hardware every few years, your computer will run like shit.

      3. Windows is full of ads.

      4. The majority of malware is written for Windows. Not really a selling point for me, but it’s a bonus.

      5. Linux is free.

      6. Linux doesn’t force updates. You update when you want to, and it takes less than a minute to do.

      • Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        Oooh… okey, noice noice…

        How similar is the interface to windows?? Im mostly interested in how customizable it is. if theres more customization features (I lake to change the colors n fonts of stuff and all my themes are an eyesore on purpose uwu) then im sold.

        Also the amount of fucking data lost on games/programa cus of forced updates…

          • Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            ok it looks cool but all that code looks hella fuckin scary(･◠･;)

            Do I gotta learn to code ALL THAT??? Do I even need to learn whatever tf that code stuff is to even change the settings/wallpaper??! Oh god now I know how Apple users feel when I ramble off about Android lets me Sideload apps that aren’t in the app store…

            Im hoping to god I dont even have to touch whatever all that block of text is just to personalize my system

            • maliciousonion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              3·
              2 months ago

              Yeah don’t worry, you’ll mostly be copying and pasting stuff from the Internet. Not much mental exercise, just follow instructions.

              The Arch Wiki is an amazing resource, It contains tons of useful info that isn’t specific to only ArchLinux.

            • django@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              This is a choice as well. Some people like editing configuration files, while others prefer a gui. The big desktop environments like gnome or kde of course offer changing themes and wallpapers in a gui.

              You can look at some themes for kde plasma on this site: https://store.kde.org/browse?cat=104

    • SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
      18·
      2 months ago

      Think about why you joined Lemmy. Reddit has been getting greedier and greedier, so you left to a place where the grass is greener. The same thing is true with Windows and Linux (and Linux is also much more big and mature than Lemmy). It attracts the same kind of people.

    • gerryflap@feddit.nl
      16·
      2 months ago

      Lemmy generally attracts the same kind of person that would also use Linux. Both of them are open source and community driven alternatives to software otherwise provided by large corporations and milked for every last cent. Both of them require just a bit more knowledge in order to comfortably use them. Linux with all the distro’s and desktop environments, Lemmy with all the instances and apps/front-ends. We’re very much a bubble here.

      • Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 months ago

        So-

        Code Monkeys.

        I call all the high tech people code monkeys cus its funny~

        Also I say this like I’m not tech savy… Im just not THAT tech savy, but Im more savy than average people.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15·
      2 months ago

      There are political, practical and aesthetic reasons to choose GNU/Linux as an operating system.

      Political Reasons

      The Linux kernel, various components from GNU, a large part of the software library etc. are released under Copyleft licenses such as the GNU Public License (GPL), which cannot be revoked. This prevents a lot of evil shit the corporate world likes to do with software. It also menas it can’t be taken away; My license to copy, examine, modify and redistribute the Linux source code is irrevocable.

      The kernel and much of what goes into a Linux OS these days are largely developed by larger corporations (Red Hat is now owned by IBM) but a lot of the app ecosystem is community driven. A lot of applications in the Linux ecosystem exist because someone wanted the tool to exist, not because someone begrudgingly accomplished something to increase shareholder value.

      Practical Reasons

      The vast majority of Linux distros are provided free of charge.

      The majority of Linux distros are lighter on system resources than Windows; Windows’ system requirements have forced a lot of perfectly functional hardware into retirement where they run just fine with Linux.

      With a few notable exceptions the Linux ecosystem is free of the ads and spyware built into Windows these days.

      Microsoft has a habit of rearranging their UI kind of for the hell of it, meaning constant retraining for users. In the Linux ecosystem, only Gnome is in the habit of making drastic unasked for design changes, and it’s very much not a user’s only choice.

      Microsoft has a lot of monetary incentives to be user hostile. Not a lot of people use the Microsoft Store to search for software because much of the software the userbase wants competes with a Microsoft product, so they aren’t found in the store. For example, Edge is the only web browser found in the Microsoft Store. Microsoft will not distribute a product that competes with one of their own. A typical package manager on Linux is full of actual useful software and is the preferred way of managing software on Linux. In fact, Windows is basically the only platform that hasn’t managed to make a package manager or app store the default way of handling software.

      Microsoft has been eroding the end user’s ability to control or even own their devices. Linux does not become unusable for several minutes due to updates the way Windows does. Linux doesn’t routinely take away features the way Windows has been doing lately.

      Aesthetic Reasons

      Windows is becoming less customizable as time goes on. Linux is only getting more impressive. It’s not difficult to make the experience YOU want on Linux. Windows doesn’t let you put the Taskbar on the side of the screen anymore. Get a load of this, I’m using Fedora KDE right now. By default there’s a thing that works very much like the Start button on Windows; icon in the lower-left corner that pops up a menu from which to launch applications. I can right click that, click “Show Alternatives” and I can have a full screen thing similar to the MacOS launcher, a smaller cascading menu type thing that works like the Windows 85 Start menu, or by default a two-pane thing that’s more typical of Linux systems. It’s just so much more flexible.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      10·
      2 months ago

      Everything is free and 100% customizable if you want to put a little bit of effort in (I’m sure this varies wildly depending on technical abilities).

    • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      There’s nothing special about it. Linux distros are one of the options, alongside windows and osx as desktop systems.

      What there are are preferences, morals, affordability. Linux is generally free, has different approaches to how the system is structured, how software is installed, how much access to the system you have, and how much responsibility for setting it up you have.

      This will also vary from distro to distro, but generally software is installed from the distribution’s repositories, not downloading files from various websites - and instead of having some different scheme for updating every program on your computer, you use a single command (or button in an app) to update your system and all your software. This is one of the main things I love about Linux - you get to update your stuff when you want, all at once.

    • pixelscript@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      I drive Linux for a similar reason to why some people prefer driving manual transmission cars to automatics.

      Automatic transmission cars are ideal for a certain kind of driver that has no interest in how the machine actually works, they just want the machine to do its job as smoothly as possible without them having to think about it. Not bothering with the details is the whole point.

      For those of us who do have an interest in knowing how the vehicle works, automatics become kind of suffocating. They’re designed to only ever behave in certain specific ways. If there’s a weird niche thing that we know is possible for the machine to do with manual control, but the automatic system doesn’t support, you’re just SOL. You can’t. This starts coming up in all sorts of annoying little ways, increasing in frequency as your knowledge increases. Death of a thousand cuts. You start feeling like you’re not really driving this car, you’re being taken for a ride.

      Windows is like the automatic. It is a black box designed to allow people who don’t care how the computer works to use the computer. To prevent morons from breaking the internal components, they put up barriers around everything and tell you to keep out.

      Linux is like the manual. Yes, it does demand more finesse and active knowledge about how the computer works to drive properly. But you’re in maximum control of it. If you want to pop the hood and tinker with every facet of its innards for whatever reason, it does not attempt to stop you. It’s all open, laid bare for you to do whatever you want with it.

      Linux has a lot of options available to make it more automatic like Windows, if you want it. The difference is that the automatic-ness is completely optional in Linux. Imagine a car that can be automatic most of the time when you don’t care, but can become manual at the drop of a hat when you need it. Linux can be that if you want it to be. Windows can’t.

      • sntx@lemm.ee
        1·
        2 months ago

        So, you’re saying that people driving automatic cars crash more often than manual transmission drivers?

        (Ignore the people that shift into reverse at 180km/h)

    • iopq@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 months ago

      I’ll tell you why I use it: to use open source software. I noticed whatever freemium program I used on Windows that was cool eventually got enshittified and became spyware. Like fucking clockwork, the author of uTorrent sold out and all the new versions became cancer

      Linux has better support for a lot of open source software, you can use a package manager to download most of it, and flatpak for a bunch that’s not there

      It’s just so much easier than trying to find the official site for the program you want.

    • Demdaru@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      Short Hipocrisy version, because people I also wrote books there:

      Windows sucks your data and tries to put ads everywhere. Linux is a type of operating system, that is free and open source - everybody can make their version. Thus, there are no ads, and the moment they try to spy on you, community picks up the torches. So, people who know their stuff rally behind linux. HOWEVER. Linux isn’t windows - it doesn’t support the same programs and needs you to fight off command line anxiety.

      Today linux is basically botherless to work with, but even then, I still had to boot up command line to install some old ass drivers or some shit.

      Heck, what’s more - there’s only one/two version of active windows, but there’s many linux distributions (which are the “made by other folk” version I talked before), so you can pick the one that fits you. Most folks recommend Linux Mint as it’s the most Windows like experience, but if you like chromebooks there’s also Peppermint OS, and if you want full versatility there’s also Debian.

        • Demdaru@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 months ago

          Most distributions have detailed instructions on their sites, like Linux Mint. But overall, it amounts to:

          1. Choose disteibution
          2. Download it’s installation image ( I recommend LiveUSB version - it will allow you to check if you like it first and most distributions have them )
          3. Prepare bootable usb stick ( I recommend Rufus for that )
          4. When done, reboot your computer choosing usb drive as boot
          5. If LiveUSB version, check out whether you like what you see and if everything works. If you like it, there should be install app on desktop
          6. Proceed with install process. For most linuxes, it’s 1:1 windows installation process, minus ads and forcing you into online stuff.
          7. Enjoy linux ^^

          Edit: Also, you can simply download distributions en masse and boot them up in VirtualBox or something to check them out without making USB each time. Allows bypassing requirement of LiveUSB too - you can just install it in its box. However not all distributions like being virtual boxxed

    • flashgnash@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 months ago

      Linux is free open and hackable, Lemmy is free open and hackable

      Also 50% of the population of Lemmy seems to be diehard communists, open source is a similar idea to communism and Microsoft is a pretty good representation of late stage capitalism

  • Rolling Resistance@lemmy.world
    22·
    2 months ago

    My workplace has this common braindead policy where we have to change our passwords every 3 months. So every time I change it, Microsoft page asks me, “HOW WAS IT?”

    Like it wasn’t annoying enough.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      2 months ago

      I never understood the purpose of this.

      Unless you are REAL stupid levels of lucky to have one of the mandatory password changes the day after a compromise that you werent aware of, all mandatory regular password changes do is make people use less secure passwords.

        • cashew@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 months ago

          “Security theatre” is what I’ve named the contact in my work phone for the call center I have to call every time I accidentally use the “one time password” more than once (because god forbid they implement proper SSO, meaning I have to do a shotgun login run every morning). When I call them all I tell them is my name and that my account is locked.They click a button and we’re back. Complete waste of time on everyone’s part.

      • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Technically it reduces the window for a successful brute force.

        That said, it comes with serious drawbacks. Mainly making them impossible to memorize, so then users end up just writing them on post-its and putting them on their monitor. Or other equally dumb things.

      • mcx808@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 months ago

        Once upon a time it was a recommended best practice both by NIST and Microsoft if I recall. Both deprecated that practice years ago but most a lot of institutional inertia keeps it going, plus industry standards based on that time that don’t update as often perpetuate the problem.

    • hardcoreufo@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 months ago

      So does mine, and we just got hacked. Almost like users make stupid passwords when required to change frequently.

  • iopq@lemmy.world
    10·
    2 months ago

    Now that I think about it, that original meme was not true either. My friends always argued about windows vs. Mac, and continued to Android vs. iPhone

    Like, people talk about OSes in general conversation

  • EherNicht@feddit.orgEnglish
    111·
    2 months ago

    If you are cross-posting please mark it as such. My poor communist in c/memes.