China is helping Russia evade Western sanctions and likely providing Moscow with military and dual-use technology for use in Ukraine, according to an unclassified U.S. intelligence report released on Thursday.
  • APassenger@lemmy.one
    146·
    11 months ago

    If you adopt a specific outlook, the duplicity is less stark.

    Russia is attacking a sovereign nation and when they took land, they took people. To most, that makes them the bad guys.

    Backing away from that and making this a geopolitical chess game, both players have coaches. Sounds fair.

    • boyi@lemmy.sdf.org
      132·
      11 months ago

      Geopolitics is never about fairness. The greater good is left to those who have powers. Iraq was a sovereign nation; but attacked, causing the deaths of their citizen, for no legitimate casus bellli. Just invent a reason, how about WMD? Yeah, that’s good enough. And Iraqi are still left to obscurity and there’s nothing they could do about it.

      • socsa@lemmy.ml
        68·
        11 months ago

        Iraq was absolutely fucked, but what Russia is doing in Ukraine is open genocide. Their media and politicians constantly talk about eliminating Ukrainian identity. The US media and politicians constantly talked about bringing democracy to Iraq (which it still kind of has).

        The situations are comparable, but they are very different. An honest commentator would acknowledge the horrors of both if pressed, while also being able to qualify and separate that horror.

        • boyi@lemmy.sdf.org
          4·
          11 months ago

          The US media and politicians constantly talked about bringing democracy to Iraq (which it still kind of has).

          This doesn’t make sense and won’t likely happen. You either conquer them or left them unstable enough (in this case, fighting each other) so it doesn’t matter if you’re there or not. The current situation is a plus to geopolical chess players, for their national interests.

          For context, Iraq is just a chess piece . it can be a pawn, bishop, rook, queen, or king or whatever. The end game is for these big players to win. Depending on strategy, Iraq can be pawned, sacrificed, or promoted to queen or whatever as long as the real player can win the game.

          And this apply to other countries as well, not just Iraq, If you got what I mean. At the end of the day, its all about the real players trying to stay winning so their national interest will remain protected.

        • rolandtb303@lemmy.ml
          4·
          11 months ago

          bringing democracy to Iraq

          USA didn’t bring democracy to Iraq. They destroyed it. They fired all of Saddam’s army and then wondered why groups like ISIS gained hold. That constant media frenzy about “we’re winning”, Bush’s speech, WMDs, and the de-Baathification was full on propaganda. The best type of propaganda is the type where you don’t notice it and that you think you’re immune to it.

          Both USA and Russia lied about their premises. They both use “liberation” and “freeing the people” as their pathetic excuse for invading a country.

          It’s the people who suffer these wars (yes, Russian people too. Not all of them support the war, and i speculate that younger generation doesn’t support it). The governments just get their big piles of money.

        • kimpilled@infosec.pub
          48·
          11 months ago

          “But Iraq!” is literally all these people have. As if two things can’t be bad at the same time.

    • Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
      33·
      11 months ago

      Yes agreed. My perspective is the latter but I can see the more myopic view creating a bad vs good narrative.